2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 1

[sperry]

 With thanks to pbuilder (Scott) and his assistance with the details, I have the 2nd (known) UM8 INR/Y91 "factory" system working in an Av. What a relief..
 On to other mods after I recover from the $ shock!
 It seems there are a lot of GM high mucky-mucks that would only say "It cant be done" to dealers attempting to install and program it. Well, Scott had the (GM) information that existed after all, I printed it out and took it to the dealer, they grabbed the programmer, followed the steps to program the amp and it worked; just like that!
 Where they ever surprised after they exhausted every trick they knew of. Especially that they didn't have to hook it up to the GM computer (which was down anyway) to program the amp!

Link to part 2 of this topic.

Link to part 3 of this topic.

[pbuilder]

Like I said< you are 5 min. away from it working. Congrats.  So What does your installer think now.
Scott

[sperry]

 I left him voice mail.. one of his employees arranged the appointment.
 He left for the day by the time I left there; (lots of interest!)
 I tried to call you about the time you posted the other reply; no ans..
 I placed another + on the Karma thingy for you! (whatever you call it now...)
 

[tractman]

We need more details and lots of pics..........Great job. You need to e-mail; Horatio who spent hours and dollars trying to make it work...
Tractman

[sperry]

 Scott (pbuilder) has pics of his. I'll muster up part numbers (if he doesn't have them handy and post them). Most of the work was done by a dealer contractor that couldn't get GM to help much. Scott provided the instructions, and so-on... (As stated earlier).
 We were thinking of horacio; I'm sure he'll follow up with his soon.

[pbuilder]

here are the part #

Um8  # 15204335
Nav Disk #15105609
GPS ant 15207447
Mic #25705367
Amp #15199992

a bit of advise , do not listen to those who say it can't be done.  GM, BOSE, DELPHI. and without changing wiring harness.
Scott

[M0eman]

Congrats Sperry!
   Very happy to hear that you did it!  Even happier to know that I can probably get it done in Santa Anna!  It will be a while before I can go through with it though.  I just spent about $2,000 in mods for a Directed (Clifford Matrix RSX 3.5) alarm (w/enough sensors for Ft Knox)/remote start/TV-Tuner/Video Distribution system (no monitors yet, but they plug right in, and I can program the alarm right through the monitors)(also, just installed a 120db air horn).  Between that and post-graduate school tuition, I'll be eating top-ramen for several months before I can follow through with the DVD-NAV.
   Have fun with your new Nav!

Moe

[sperry]

 Argh!! there has to be something to speed up the install. Your's shouldn't cost as much anyway - the EXT should have the wiring and the amp already. Maybe there's a HU somewhere cheap like the one on eBay
 If it wasn't for the study time, find a side job!
 Well, all set aside, I'm sure they'll still be available when you're ready.

[7of7]

How is the changeout with the factory bose head unit?  This sounds nice!!!  Can find all parts except the Head Unit,...    Do post more pics and instructions on how to do this!!!!

[sperry]

 The HU is just an R&R of the old one; a wire should be added for the vss. (between the cluster and a connector pin at a HU connector). This is to smooth out any jerkey map movement.
 Wiring needs to be changed at the new amp. A microphone is recommended for the Audiopilot to properly operate. (Some opinions of Audiopilot: )
 After that it's programming; most any dealer will unlock the HU and if this news and the document circulates, should be able to do all of it on the spot. No hacking or cutting needed.  Just some wiring changes at the amp and the cluster wire I said earlier.. The GPS antenna bolts-up under the dash; if you want it outside, only then is more work. (It's not designed for the outside - you'll need another compatable one for that.)
 I will certainly try to help/organize instructions!
 Like any mod, pic's are demanded; I didn't wire mine; the project originated back when I bought my truck and I had a dealer contractor do the job...until the snag with the amp programming. Scott (pbuilder) can better suit the pics and instructions request; he did his the hard - old fashon way, - - himself! (Beg, plead, hint...) If I had a digital camera, I'd pic what I could asap but I'll have to wait for a GTG, borrow one, or a similar opportunity.

[Cat Dancer]

Hey Sperry & Scott,

You're the Men!  

Great News and a job well done.

WC

[PHATYELAV]

alright kids I finally picked up my 2004 Arrival Blue WBH with 4:10 gears on Jan 13 2004.. If someone could pm me on the details of this install it would be greatly appreciated.  What functions are still available when doing this upgrade..dvd navigation,xm radio, will it work with steering wheel controls, can you use an after market amp and speaker's, can reg dvd's be played on the system..

COST FACTOR. $$$ I have a pretty eloborate system in my bmw but no nav.. well girfriend bmw.. she bought it so i could get my AV.. bless her heart..

I AM SO GLAD THAT I BELONG TO THIS WEBSITE.. THERE ARE TRULY SOME TALENTED WIZ KIDS HERE. THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE THAT IS PASSED BETWEEN MEMBERS IS PRICELESS.

THANK YOU
Dan O

[PHATYELAV]

SPERRY & SCOTT

A very hardy thank you for the time and effort that was put into this DVD navigation retrofit.  I have been a member of the club for a little over 2 years now.  And from the assistance of people like yourselves make this a wonderful site!

I am also looking into doing this upgrade and I was wondering the cost associated with it (ballpark figures don’t need exact)

A couple of questions for you guys.
Is there XM satellite on the NAV unit? Can one be added if not?
Can a DVD player be added to the system for movie’s
Can external amps be added for extra power?
Addition of speaker an issue?
I have about 1400 watts of power that I want to add to the AV with the addition of doubling up the speakers in the front doors (2 sets of  6 ½ ‘s)up front and 1 set in the rear along with 12” sub’s


Um8  # 15204335
Nav Disk #15105609
GPS ant 15207447
Mic #25705367
Amp #15199992

Thank you so much for your help

[pbuilder]

The UM8 is no diffrent than the HU in your av as far as function. XM, onstar, steering wheel controls, RSA, RSE, 6 Disk Changer all work the same. I am adding the 5 disk changer so I can play CDs while using the Nav.. The cost to do it your self is around 2500.00 + or -.  Will depend on your dealer and your disscount if any. If any needs a HU let me know or any other part. This is stall is about 2 to 3 hours to do and a trip to the dealer for programing your new amp. Bose system is a must or you will spend alot of extra$$ to do.  After marker amps will not work with the UM8. I will take pictures this weekend and post.
Scott

[pbuilder]

DVDs will not play in Nav unit. need 6 disk changer to play cds will using nav. other wise you can play cds.
Scott

[Soul Surfer]

So there isn't a CD changer built into this unit? Either 1 DVD using the nav function, or 1 CD playing music? Is that correct?

C

[sperry]

 No changer in this one! Cadillac (Escalades) have their changer seperate, below the HVAC, in the console.
The '05's are suppposed to have a "TNR" (Touchscreen) which should be available in most GM models. I wouldn't be surprised if it'll be a changer also.

I'd be irritated about no changer but fortunately I don't listen to CD's much. With the XM it just never gets to the need. However I have a DVD player that's in the console that'll play them one at a time if I have the one in the HU tied up with the nav disc.

[JWyatt]

I'm curious about something.  Does the Caddy Nav unit have an aux video input or any way to add an aux video?

[sperry]

 No - being a factory unit, I don't think they would risk the liability.(IMO only)
 Many states (if not all) approve nav screens viewable by drivers. Likely all of them (and provinces too) have laws against video screens within the view of a driver. If you want that, the aftermarket units provide it, DVD playback, touchscreen and usually a lower price (if under around $2300).
 "Factory" nav retrofits are simply for the "OEM" look and function.
I'm certain the Delphi unit uses a direct LCD screen driver - interface to it's computer instead of bringing it down to composite or Y/C ("S-video") just to process it again for the display.
 If they did have the entertainment option or had a remote screen capability, Im sure they would then.
 That doesn't mean I won't look for it!

Delphi INR HU

[JWyatt]

Thanks for the reply sperry.  The reason I ask is because I use my AV for on-site instrumentation calibration service work.  I am working on a computer system that I can use to invoice the customer while on-site.   Im not looking for any kind of dvd capabilities(hell the cell phone keeps me tied up enough).

I like the clean install of this system.  It will allow me to install a computer without having to worry about where to mount the monitor.  CUrrently i have my laptop and have to have space for it plus the printer plus the powersupply and all that.  

My plans are to mount the printer in the glove box and the pc will be in the center console, or visa versa.

Any other info is much appreciated.

Thanks,

Jerry

[pbuilder]

Hey Jerry
check this site out if you are planing on doing a computer in your AV. I think this is what I am going to use for the entertainment systemin mine as well as a toy to play with and also do onsite invoiceing.
http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/Mini-Checkercube/c136.html

steve I check out the touch screen in the cati and it is a wider din which means most of the GM line will be SOL on them. But it will play DVDs if the parking bark is on. I am told it have a 6 disk changer built in it.
might be a new project for me.  they came out in some of the 04 cati's. XLR and the DTS. I saw one today at the dealer, I should have played with it.
Scott

[sperry]

 The Nav in the Av shure looks easy compared to what this guy "had" to do installing it into his H2! '03 Hummer Nav install (.pdf)
Damn! - -  

[enkeiavalanche]

 after all that $ and time I'll stick to my Kenwood system
 The new one is on the way (kvt915dvd) I have the 911 and Nav 2100 now. couldn't be happier..  Good luck

  Glenn

[pbuilder]

sound like the H2 is more plug and play. they must have the proper amp.
Glad I know where to get the UM8 local.
Scott

[sperry]

after all that $ and time I'll stick to my Kenwood system
 The new one is on the way (kvt915dvd) I have the 911 and Nav 2100 now. couldn't be happier..  Good luck

  Glenn

Each has it's advantage; The puzzle is behind us now. It's just up to the individual what they want. Like most of us, I've had both factory and aftermarket systems of various items recent and past. Combinations of features, performance, fit and goodies don't always come together. I don't have a touch screen or 10 trillion waypoints, fold-out screen, DVD video play and so-on. But I have the factory look I wanted. It's just fine with me and fortunate that we all have choices!