2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 1

[Arrivalblue]

Congrat on working Nav.system to you guys. For past year I was waiting for anybody to install stock system in avy. You did it! Now what will take ( for all of us still in line to install nav sys) to let us know what exactly needs to be changed on connectors and adding wires. And also the way how the dealer needs to reprogram computer.
One more very happy for you.
Hans

[sperry]

 Hans, if you're ever over near Santa Ana, I'll show it.
 Scott and I have a lot of records, I don't have a digital camera yet and I didn't do the hard work, but with a lot of research and Scott being able to retrieve the proper programming instruction sheet, it's finally done. I'm trying to get something together for the members.  If anyone wants to jump into it now, we'll certainly help!
My installers were relieved too; they can install these complete now, commercially.

...Steve

[pbuilder]

Thanks This is an easy install now that I know what to do.  2 to 3 hours for install and 5 min for programing amp.
This amp will work on the UC6 hu as well if you want better sound.

[av_2500]

I cant believe these arnt standerd yet... Hell my 12 year old olds. has one... Even though it doesnt nearly have the clarity of these new ones... Any ideas to retrofit a new screen in there? lol... I dought i will/could. Weird cuz the av seems so base model compared to my car, even though they both have all options. Oh and im not full of $#!^. this is the navigation system from 12-16years ago.

Images from EBAY


In car
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i21/02/a/01/21/50/15_4.JPG
In car close up
http://carad.ebayimg.com/i16/02/a/01/21/b3/bc_4.JPG

[pbuilder]

That little unit is not quit the same thing.
 no these units will not work for your car.
your radio is just a compus not a nav unit.

[av_2500]

it has road maps...

[sperry]

Is that a triple-DIN? I wonder how many CD's it needed?

[pbuilder]

how is the nav on it

[av_2500]

Nav on it sucks, but each cd holds a rather large chunk of ground... Hard to say how much, cuz like I said it sucks and I dont use it much. It would be cool to put a new EXT nav in the space... You wouldnt believe the ammount of stuff thats in that 12year old car that is just coming out in the av/isnt there yet (i.e. DIC, on board diagnostics(through DIC) perimiter lighting, key hole lighting -not that it needs a door key or anything)

[sperry]

 GM does things like that, so it seems. Like the heads-up in some Buicks.
 Then the whiz-bang will disappear for an indiscriminate amount of time.

[XRover]

I remember when the hot topic in this section was how to install the Caddy  trip computer into the 2002 AV.

I managed to get the Astrovan Trip Computer installed into my 02 Z71.

Now that I have an 04 AV with all that trip computer crap, I don't care about it.

I WANT THAT NAV SYSTEM !!!!


Nice job guys

[AvaZ71]

Sperry,PBuilder:

I have a couple of questions...I own a 2003 Z71 with Bose and 6 disc changer...No XM.

First...I would love to do this mod.Do either of you know where I can get a HU besides the dealer?

Second... I would like to install the 6 disc changer under the Heating controls in the blank cubby hole which is there,is there a harness to connect it to the HU?and do you have a part # for it.

and lastly do the Nav.units come with XM and if so do I have to install the factory XM antenna on the roof.

Thanks in advance.

 

[sperry]

The last I heard the parts come to around $2209 at GM PartsDirect.
The XM is not in the Head units; it's a seperate module near the glove box.
The 6-disk changer can be interfaced just as the XM. The XM isn't easy no more than your current head unit; but it's been done.

 Scott (pbuilder) is working on the changer `last I heard of. PM him..
I didn't bother with it; never had a CD in the Av except to check the original head unit when I picked up the Av new, and I have an aftermarket DVD in the DIN space that'll play a single CD if I want to NAV at the same time..

Sorry about any column mis-alignment; The handling of Tab stops seem to be an oversight in the board software; it's a bit difficult to present it neatly!
I found the list:
GM PartsDirect Pricing:

INR HU P/N:         15204334    $1625.00   Alt#: 15204335 (Both Worked)
Amp(UM8/Y91):    15199992 - -   320.74  
GPS Antenna:      15207447 - -    45.25   “Module” A new # is: 15135178
US/CAN DVD:       15105609 - -   183.44
Microphone:         25705367 - -    24.82
INR Manual:         15192793a  -    10.00   Order from http://www.helminc.com
                                          ----------
                                       $ 2209.25
            + Tax:
          + Shipping:  
                                          -----------
Alt Amp P/N's:
                                    #15199884
                                    #15114445
                                    #15114454 Denali
                                    #15191601
                                    #15112662
                                    #15054675

Connector on mic is:         #12052833
Mating conn. for mic:        #12085481
Connector terminals:   GM   #12020757  for 20-18 GA
                              GM   #12020758  for larger wire
PDF Version of INR Manual

Notice the amp has to be changed out and some wiring has to be switched around, but you'll like the better audio quality; much "cleaner" than the UC6 system.
 The mike is for the noise-cancelling "AudioPilot" function; some don't like it.
HTH!

Edits: I keep adding amp P/N's!

[rab356]

Dare I ask what the damage would be for an 02 without the Bose system??

[sperry]

 It's a disappointment that it isn't designed for it; I just never looked into the '02's to compare the differences; I hear it's considerable.

 But at least with the whiz-bang aftermarket goodies/Nav's, you have the fix.
 

[gable74]

can someone help me with some details on what wiring mods need to be done when installing the AMP and head unit.  

[sperry]

  Start at this post (#30)

And PM me so I can send you a wiring X-reference for the Amp. (via your e-mail).
I need to send it to another member also..

I get a bit busy at work so bear with me and you may need to remind me.

HTH.
 Steve

[AvaZ71]

Sperry;

Can you send me the PDF of the manual and any other schematics for wiring.

...Thanks...

[sperry]

Here's the link: Select "Save a Copy" when it's done loading, like any PDF, if you can't "save it to a file" after you click on it.
(UM8) User's Manual .PDF (Cadillac version)
 It's 1.8MB
 Or you can order a smaller hard copy from Helm Inc. for $10.00 Part #: 15192793a.

HTH!
...Steve

[sperry]

Richie, your files (3 to start) were sent 3-18 @ 9:38PM ET
...Steve

[Ice]

So this unit will only work on an 03 or newer AV that has a factory installed 6 disc changer and the "digital" dual heating and air controls?     My 03 doesnt have the 6 disc changer slot,  all I have is the single cd slot with the heating and air controls below the cd and the heating controls are 2 "levers" that you move up or down to change the temperature.  
Thanks
ICE

[sperry]

ICE, I wouldn't say that it won't, just that I hadn't heard of it yet. The mention of the bose 6-disk was likely too "included" with the '02 statement. Many learned to never say never  regarding this retrofit; there were a lot of "naysayers" but it worked after all. What you could encounter is a wiring/harnessing change. Or many unknowns. If you succeed, I'm sure many of us would be pleased to hear of it

 From what I read, '02's have an entirely different entertainment wiring and has a 1½ DIN mount. The work to change that out I believe would be considerable, but I don't know enough about the details to really comment on it.

 I doubt that the HVAC type in your '03 will effect the changeout but it is in the instruction menu as a selection choice when you setup the TechII to program the amp. This Nav/amp was designed for the "Luxury" line of vehicles; no doubt they all would have the "Automatic HVAC", but since I hadn't heard of an install into a vehicle with the manual system to date; I can't provide you with a yes or a no! My "gut" (and that's a big one ) feeling is that it shouldn't matter but the General works in mysterous ways...

If you do attempt to go for it, I'll certainly be interested and will help with what I can offer!

If it's a no-go,
'Nothin wrong with the aftermarket eq. except the factory look! (And the shifter clearance for some pop-outs.)
HTH!

[gable74]

How can I find out if this AMP is compatible?  It was said to have come from a 04' hummer, and has the H2 sig. on the sticker.  Its physically identicle to the Denali AMP #15199992.  The model of this amp is #15199884.  Can anyone find out if this is a good AMP to use with the UM8 INR System?  Thanks

[sperry]

The Nav HU (part # visible ending in "5"), in the Hummer post earlier showed it as just a changout in an `03 Hummer No amp change. Apparently it already had the amp. I didn't see that # but  the 15191601 amp was another unchecked #, so your's make it three different amps and two different HU part #'s known of, to date.
The HU's don't appear to be a problem, different with some unknown - whatever.
maybe a function or rom version, who knows.
 I would feel that if the amp came with a Denali console and has an H2 sticker on it that they configure universally.
Is that amp larger than your stock one (maybe twice as long)? It could also be a version like the UC6 amp, only it can comm with the nav HU. It could also be why the unprogrammed operation differs from Scott's and mine did before ours were programmed. (Oops, you said that).
 As you can tell, I just don't have anything positive for you as I don't do this for a living, and find out the hard way.
 Hummer could have equipped H2's this way but I doubt that was done in a Denali.
 While we were "grabbing at straws", the rumor mill had a communication regarding a compatable Nav HU for the UC6 system/amp. I've never seen it, but I'm still prying and asking.

[gable74]

well, i dont have a Denali console.....its just an AMP and NAV HU from a Hummer.  The thing is the NAV unit and AMP are not mates from the same vehicle or there would be no question as to its compatability.  I just cant find out whether this AMP is good for a NAV HU yet.  I didnt want to have to go through the work and pay for programming and find out its not.  I do know of another AMP model #15114445 that is absolutely a match for the NAV HU's.  The GM parts guy at the local dealer gave me that # as an upgrade and/or switch out to the #15199992 AMP.  So thats 2 for sure.  Just need to find out if mine is a match now.  Some hummers came with the 6 disk HU, and thus if this AMP came from one of those Hummers, i would have to guess its not compatible.  Oh, and this AMP of mine looks absolutely identicle to the Denali AMPs, it has the cooling fins and tappers down more narrow at the end.  My stock AMP is smaller and more boxy.