2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 2

[sperry]

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This thread is now PART 2 of this the original thread linked below

2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 1


From what I gather, no. He has a good job as an automotive electrican and made no offer of such, even with navigation discussion. If they were copies, he wouldn't take that risk.

If my name could cash other's checks that share it, I would have fame & fortune from their "talents".

Besides, what's wrong with selling Nav disks on EBay? Unless they're copies - and that won't last long when the Fed's catch up with him.

OEM disks are expensive, and they offer you one free upgrade anyway! (OEM Eq if you get it as an RPO).

But this is becoming somewhat defending and scorning.

If he sells Legit Nav disks on Ebay, more power to him IMO. As long as they are the same item that folks save $$ on by buying from him, I'll take that as a good thing.

[BCS]

I guess if you are ok with someone obtaining information from you and then turning around and selling it as their own..I saw on GM trucks where he was wanting you to make sure his info was good...once its good, expect to see it on ebay

[avarchitect]

Well, the first things I would like to do is say THANK YOU to all who are keeping this forum going - I have just finished the last touch on my 2003 Nav installation - I now have a factory INR Navigation radio, Factory In-Dash CD Changer (Slave) and Factory XMand Factory Y91 "Luxury" Amp.  What an amazing system - the display for the XM is great, the sound is clear and I mean "BOSE" clear, the Nav has no trouble keeping up with my driving habits and after seeing a Jeep Grand's Nav system jump on and off the interstate to side streets several times while driving I am impressed at how well the system keeps track of my every move.  I would like to thank Sperry for all of his assists and of course all those who help track down the little details that make this mod possible.  I just thought I would add some of my experiences in hope to help the next person.

I purchased my radio used from Ebay (was in a 2003 H2) and can as a package with the slave CD Changer included.  I purchased my antenna and mic from GM Parts Direct.  The one thing that I had to deal with that I have not seen cover too much on this forum is the Theftlock function of this radio.  At the suggestion of Sperry, I installed everything into the truck and then went to work on the theftlock to see if it could be bypassed for a while until I could get the dealer to clear it.  Sperry suggested removing the fuse - the fuse for the radio is listed in the large fuse block under the hood - if memory serves me correct it was a 15 amp pink fuse located on the lower right as you are standing on the drivers side looking at the box.  I pulled the fuse and then turned the truck to ACC with the fuse still out - after a couple of seconds I replaced the fuse and the radio turned on with no problems and had every function.  However the second the key is turned to try to start the engine the radio activites the theftlock function and displays "Theftlock Engaged" on the screen - I was unable to pull the fuse and start the engine and then replace it and get it to work - so I was not able to test the Nav function of the radio until I went to the dealer to get the code cleared.  For anyone waiting to test everything before getting the code cleared just use the method listed above however don't expect it to work with the engine running.

I thought I would list a couple of small pictures to show off the install - it is sweet look and I have already had several people ask me about the install - one of which was the dealership owner - tried to get my code cleared for free but he didn't want to go for that...

[avarchitect]

I think I have seen everything on the function of the radio posted in some form or matter but I am not too sure I have every seen anyone list the XM in use so here is a picture of one (how in th world did I ever live with one line of text??)

[duramaxHD]

avarchitect--- That looks awesome!!! great job with the mod. It seems as if we all finally have the kinks of this install worked out (thanks in large part to members like sperry) and that your install went trouble free. Couple questions though... Did you get the Y91 amp new or off of ebay? If it was off of ebay, do you remember what kind of vehicle it came out of? Did you run into problems programming it at all? (it generally seems as though success in the amp area is hit or miss) Have you reprogrammed the DSP in the amp to fit the Avy? (eg... programmed it to think its in a Escalade EXT) Overall, it looks factory stock!! great job

---ben

[avarchitect]

I purchased the amp off of Ebay also - the amp came out of an H2 and is #15188044 which I was told there was some questions about it working with the system - the Tech at the dealership and myself had a very intense conversation before he started (the advise of the dealership owner) and he told me that he was postive that he could get it to program without any problems.  We cleared the VIN Theftlock within a couple of minutes, so we moved on to the amp - I should state that the amp sounded great without any programming and I am pretty positive that all of the speakers were working on the AV - the amp connected and programmed without error, the only thing I can figure after reading where some people were having problems with the H2 amps, my entire system - HU, Changer, amp and changer harness all came out of an H2 and so they might have just match right or something.  I don't know.  After programming, I didn't really appear to achieve any extra sound advantanges from programming the amp - sounded just the same as it did before it was programmed.

[sperry]

The theftlock bypass is by no means perfect, but it helps one sort out things before a trip to the dealer.

Yep, some dealers want your $$ for a quick process. But they have to pay for those $2800 Tech II's somehow.

I hope he didn't pop you for an hour. Most have a ½ Hr minimum.

The tracking isn't foolproof. All GPS' that I had with a moving map - Garmin, Delphi, etc will at times jump over to a side street or a frontage road. They get a reflection or something that causes a minor propagation time delay, the system's try to correct and "lock" onto an ajacent road. Sooner or later you will see this happen.

Now you are another that can "testify" about the sound improvement!

On your success!

[sperry]

I guess if you are ok with someone obtaining information from you and then turning around and selling it as their own..I saw on GM trucks where he was wanting you to make sure his info was good...once its good, expect to see it on ebay

Any "Joe" can do that, this one didn't, there wasn't enough info for that to date and the "timing" isn't something I can see a pattern with.. AND, I don't deal much at all with the DVD's. That's a part I have to get in the same manner as other's would. If I had that type of contact, I wouldn't still be using an outdated one! Warn people on EBay! Why not! I don't deal there after I almost lost my A$$ on a deal they Wouldn't "control". So I stay clear of EBay.

It appears you really have a problem with this person; I cannot help you with that; it's your own issue. Not one for here (or should I say me, anyway). There are far worse folks than that to worry about!

Back to other things, what was the technical issue you had anyway

[BCS]

Ok I am not saying he is selling DVDs illegal, I am saying he is obtaining the info on how to do this mod, putting a manual together to show the steps, and then selling it....Hence why he wanted you to "review" his steps...Yeah I have a problem with it as he tried to sell it to a friend of mine before I pointed him to the right forum where people like you are helping for free..

He is selling brand new version 3.0 disks on ebay, which is fine with me..I dont know how he gets 100's of them to sell, but thats not my business....He also sales the nav units off of ebay saying they came out of his escalade even though he does not have a escalade...

but again, i wouldnt help a person who is taking my info and trying to make money off of it..this is a community for us to help each other, not to make a profit!

[sperry]

OK, but I do help folks that do make a living doing this too. Only I receive info from them in trade. Since a lot of my info is obtained from those who do, I can't complain about it myself. The "tips & techniques" are from many sources that are retailers. If I were to track that ethic that you apparently perceive as unethical, I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.
I receive confirmations and part numbers from them too.
We all benefit that way, as I see it.

Most who receive info from others and myself here are better prepared to purchase the correct equipment from the very people who assist us, & V-V.

Who are really to take blame are retailers who present products at a reduced rate, charge an exorbitant amount to ship them, and won't take them back if they're incorrect - even if that vendor said "use this one" themselves!

However, I do appreciate the concern and alert. Although if someone isn't resourceful enough to find info provided here, by other members and myself and want to pay for it instead, I can't help that. But if anyone wants to take the time to compile, present and publish the info, they should have their effort rewarded anyway. If they make a $million, disburse it to other's if they feel it's in order.

 I'm set well enough to not worry about my part. That's why I personally have no concern; no niche to "protect" here. But that's me, other's may be bothered with it and I can't speak for them.

So, can we return to the topic of this post?

[kdag]

I have a 04 gmc seirra without the y91 option code and im trying to put in a touch screen navigation radio. i bought the instructions from jp customs for 49.00 and i was thinking it was more than a peice of wire and a splice connector. i have a touch screen radio 10377287 i bought off ebay and antenna module i got off gm parts direct. ive added the wire from my instrment cluster to the 12pin connector and when i hook the radio up nothing happens. i also borrowed the tech 2 tool and went to vin relaern and it gave an error message of no communication. i also accidently won a auction of a non touch screen nav radio p/n 15204334 and i pluged it in and the theftlock came on so i reset and i got very little sound and no volume control and i am assuming this is due to the amps incompatibility. would anyone know how the used radio responds if when you first plug it in, does the theftlock screen appear ? I am assuming i was sold a radio that was bad. i also am looking for the schematic for the rearragement of the pins for a lux model amp, because its looking like i am going to be stuck using that one. also anyone know he part number of the amp i should use. Thanks for all of the help

[sperry]

The 4334 is an early Luxury only HU. It won't work in your "premium" system, as it is, with the "dumb" amp.

I e-mailed you the wiring X-Ref changes.. for a luxury amp.

The 15199992 amp was replaced with another number, that should cross to it's newer replacement by a parts dealer, for the new one.

The TNR sounds defective;  it IS the one for the NON-Luxury (premium) system. Consult with one of the service centers. (Search) Model Electronics (East Coast), Specmo (MI) and AER (SoCal).

I hope you can "exchange" it or if PayPal'd, contest that it's bad. Whatever works..

The NAV antenna will work for either one.

[duramaxHD]

Maybe this question is not QUITE right for this thread, but since I will be adding it to my "future" TNR/Y91, I thought I'd ask... Browsing the PAC website I became intrigued with the AUX-POD (or iPOD2CAR as its called now). However, it says on the bottom:

"Note: The iPOD2CAR will only work stand alone. If the vehicle has a separate CD changer, XM or cassette player, it will have to be disconnected in order for the iPOD2CAR to work. Exceptions are for 2003-2004 GM vehicles without XM, the iPOD2CAR will work together with the factory 6 disc CD changer."

AHHHHH!!! so am I reading this correctly in that it will not work if you have XM or the (escalade/denali) external 6 disc CDX???!!?        Right now my Silverado has XM, the UC6 (the HU with integrated 6 CDX) and the "dumb" Bose speaker system. My plan of upgrading to a Y91 amp and TNR would require me to put in an external (Escalade/Denali) CDX because i would still really like to be able to listen to CD's without taking out the NAV disc.  I could live without XM if i had the 6 disc CDX, and I could live without the CDX if I had XM, but is PAC really telling me I cannot have either with the AUX-POD??? Does anyone know a way around this? There are so many amazing things aftermarket companies (especially PAC)have done to "upgrade" the capabilities of the GM A/V equipment...it seems wierd that they could not get around this problem.   I mean...with the TNR and Y91, everything runs on the Class II data bus, so whats the big deal about putting one more 'thing' in the chain??? Having a TNR, XM, CDX, Y91 amp, and the iPod interface all at the same time would be the ultimate audio solution!!! (provided I work every free second i get off from school to make enough $$$ for it )

thanks everyone---- Ben

[sperry]

There may be a way with a multi-pole double-throw switch or relay but I would need more info on the adapter. If I remember the next time I talk to Brett, I'll ask him...

They would normally focus on an ease of use and install. Adding a multi-pole switch would complicate matters for most folks.

I suspect the compatability is that it "loads" down the audio bus instead of just switching out... But I'd still have to look and inquire.

[sperry]

*NON-BOSE NAV*

Rumor has it that there is a GM/Delphi Nav radio for the NON-Bose systems.

As best I can gather, this is the possible P/N: 10351123

We will look into this..!

[Arrivalblue]

Hi guys,
I cannot believe how many posts are here from the time Steve and Scott were helping me to install navigation system. I still think that this is the best mod you can do. It is nice to see that we love our trucks and do this up date. Steve did you install the back up camera to your radio as you told me on Ca GTG?
I do have the interface installed, just I`m not sure about camera what you will be using?

[sperry]

It's in & working. Bought the camera from Raiderdude (cheepie but doesn't look cheap). I posted the pic's of the camera mounting here somewhere...

The PAC module works well. I had to hang my own relay on it. Someone said they come with them now.

You can switch the relay by tapping a wire at the BCM (Lt green back-up lamp power) It's off of connector 5 (The small black connector on the right).

And of course if you want the backup cam only slaved to reverse, the backup light wire in the trailer harness. (Lt. Green).

[sperry]

`Found the pic.

The bracket is just 2" aluminum strap from Home Depot.

[Arrivalblue]

I put my unit next to navigation radio, grounded to the brace under dash and hooked wire for power to glove box light ( it is working RAP wire ) unit turns of after aprox 10 min.
Same as radio and all accesories. Blue wire will trigger picture on navigation radio as you said. Right now I need camera, yours looks great who is the manufacturer? I did see some in micro alarm catalog for about $100 and less, what should  look for on the camera. Also where did you locate yours on truck?

[sperry]

This isn't the finished result and a bit dark, but you get the idea. A rather common spot.

[sperry]

The side holes are for security torx (or allen) countersunk 10X24 (or 10X32) screws. Since, I had smoothed, primed, painted and mounted it.

I just have to remember to get that pic!

[Pendlum]

*NON-BOSE NAV*

Rumor has it that there is a GM/Delphi Nav radio for the NON-Bose systems.

As best I can gather, this is the possible P/N: 10351123

We will look into this..!

Looked into this part number and it's from the Buick Rendevou (sp?). The buick has the Bose system and it has a separate amp, so it looks like this part number is still the Bose Nav, but for a buick. Still needs the amp

I'm still looking.

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know that if you're looking to do this upgrade and are missing a few pieces to the puzzle, we'll be happy to provide you with the missing links. We sell the complete packages, but we also sell the individual parts.
Just email us or call us if we can help.

kdag - if you're having problems with your NAV radios from ebay, give me a call. We may be able to get it repaired for you.

[nota4re]

I think the new touch-screen NAV comes in two flavors.  10377531 is the part number for the unit compatible with the Lux-amp models and 10377287 is the part number for the non-lux amp compatible unit.

I'm guessing, here.  Please wait until someone confirms.

[sperry]

We're well aware of those #'s but thanks.

I found the number Jason was refering to posted on another board as one for the NON-Bose systems. It wouldn't work on either the premium or luxury systems, if it was such a fact. That's why we're investigating it. So the folks without the Bose would encounter a far less hassle.

His initial "report", however, comes back as just another HU. In this case for a Rendezvous..

[midwest kid]

  Wow!!!! This thread is amazing and very informative! Im attempting my own project. im gonna post details as soon as i get started and have all my stuff. Hopefully this one goes well! Does anyone happen to have a complete wiring pinout for the y91 Nav unit for both the 12 & 24 pin connector as well as the Bose Lux Amp (8 & 24 Pin connectors). I wanna study the diagrams to figure out how im going to do this. Thanks and great work guys!!!