2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 2

[3782steveo]

Sperry, what do you mean by "aux adapter"? Is this the same as having factory xm?

[sperry]

Nope, it's an aftermarket adapter like a PAC device. If you have no such thing, then just pursue the Ohm check to confirm your VSS tap.

[dsrour]

Did the speaker check. Everything seemed fine, except that I was not sure that the Subwoofer was working. Any suggestions here?
Also you had mentioned before an alternative Class two data source other than from radio or rse. I'm thinking that maybe part of the problem.
Also have a v1.0 dvd from cadillac, but doesnt work. Is this too early version or
thanks

[sperry]

See if the sub wiring is out of phase with one-another. It should hit well, just not like a set of good after-market ones, but a lot better than the crap amp. Is there a difference with changing the Bass or balance controls?

If you have a good CD with prominent bass, test it with that. Maybe Cinemagic or something with heavier- hitting bass if you have XM.

I have an early DVD in mine. But I can't remember, is yours an INR or a TNR nav?

[dsrour]

I checked on the amp plug and the SW wiring seems to be right.
I just noticed something else when pulled out of garage and checked XM-- the sound quality is very poor. I double checked all the pinouts and everything seems to be in order. Think maybe bad amp? I have the INR 15204335n

[sperry]

Hmmm, sounding like you'll need a reprogram allright.

I hope you have a fair to good relationship with your dealer. Also if they'll pull the doc and understand the instruction I mentioned.

That setup should sound clean..

I don't know for sure the exact version I have; I'll have to check. I have a 4334 nav. Yours has the radio/acc screen on the nav screen as a "PIP" option.

I wonder if Jimmy has a spare amp? PM him over there and ask!
Hopefully he's close enough to you to maybe drive there within reason?...

[dsrour]

Do you think reprogram would fix this kind of problem?

[sperry]

Well, it certainly isn't supposed to sound crappy and you rechecked everything you could. Mine sounded lousy but it was only working one speaker. So I took it to a (GMC) dealer I began to know well, and with a lot of interest in the document they didn't know of (nor did I until pbuilder told me about it and sent it to me)., we proceeded and had succeeded.

 In the excitement, the dealer had two vehicles to do. one was a promised new one that mistakenly didn't have the nav (BIG oops) and the other was the owner's for a retrofit. Needless to say, that was a relief for them too.

But, as I mentioned, be prepared - Jimmy's first amp went dead! That's why I suggested you get in touch with him. He had some spares (If I remember) at one time and a somewhat similar experience, although his worked, it went dead when he tried to set it up for his truck.

And he lives in Maryland (somewhere), if I remember right.

[92coop]

sperry, i wanted to ask a question from a previous post:
"Ok, I've been watching this topic for about a month now. I have a 2004 Silverado SS I'll be putting a 7287 TNR headunit in as soon as it gets here. How difficult is it to pull the dash top and install the GPS antenna? I believe I understand the vss wire from the dash cluster to the headunit, that doesn't look too difficult, just not too sure about yanking the dash top off."

I have my project installing the same 7287 tnr in my 03 suburban (waiting for it to arrive also) and I have a few questions:

1) What is the vss and will I need to install it or ??
2) What the optional voice connection you mentioned in reply to the above message. I am looking for the tnr to have voice where it has audio that tells you to turn..etc. Will I need to do anything extra to make this work. I think this has to do with voice commands??

Thanks

[sperry]

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Trim Panel Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) Upper

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Removal Procedure

   1. If equipped with air conditioning (A/C), set the air flow control to the instrument panel (IP) vent position.
   2. Apply the parking brake to prevent the vehicle from moving.
   3. If the transmission is automatic, move the shift lever all the way down.
   4. Tilt the steering wheel to the full down position.
   5. Remove the IP cluster trim plate bezel. Refer to Bezel Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) Cluster .



   6. Remove the end panels. The left panel is shown, and the right panel is similar.
   7. Remove the right side air outlets.



   8. Remove the assist handle by depressing the release tabs accessed through the air outlet duct holes.
   9. Remove the windshield pillar garnish moldings. Refer to Garnish Molding Replacement - Windshield Pillar in Interior Trim.
  10. Remove the bolts retaining the panel to IP assembly.

  Note: With the new software, I am unable to properly format the instructions/images.

[sperry]

  11. Lift the trim panel up to disconnect the electrical connector (1) to the ambient light sensor on the underside of the trim panel.



  12. Remove the trim panel from the IP assembly.

Installation Procedure



   1. Connect the electrical connector (1) to the ambient light sensor on the underside of the trim panel.



   2. Install the trim panel to the IP assembly.

      Notice

      Use the correct fastener in the correct location. Replacement fasteners must be the correct part number for that application. Fasteners requiring replacement or fasteners requiring the use of thread locking compound or sealant are identified in the service procedure. Do not use paints, lubricants, or corrosion inhibitors on fasteners or fastener joint surfaces unless specified. These coatings affect fastener torque and joint clamping force and may damage the fastener. Use the correct tightening sequence and specifications when installing fasteners in order to avoid damage to parts and systems.

   3. Install the trim panel retaining screws.
     
Tighten

      Tighten the trim panel retaining screws to 2 N·m (18 lb in).
   4. Install the windshield pillar garnish moldings. Refer to Garnish Molding Replacement - Windshield Pillar in Interior Trim.



   5. Align the assist handle with the holes in the IP assembly. Push the handle in order to engage the retaining tabs.
   6. Install the right side air outlets.



   7. Install the end panels. The left panel is shown, and the right panel is similar.
   8. Install the IP cluster trim plate bezel. Refer to Bezel Replacement - Instrument Panel (I/P) Cluster .
   9. Tilt the steering wheel to the normal driving position.
  10. If the transmission is automatic, move the shift lever to the park position.
  11. Disengage the parking brake.

[92coop]

sperry, I did some digging and found my answer to question #1 I had from above. It sounds like the vss tap will be helpfull.
I still would like some info on question 2 regarding the optional audio..what is it and what will it do.

Thanks, Happy Holidays ALL

[sperry]

The nav audio isn't an option, it comes with it. Not to be confused with voice command like a corvette, etc.

[92coop]

Thanks sperry,
Im glad it comes with it and I dont have to do anything special. I have seen posted on the forum that many have been installing a mic...not sure why...

I also wanted to update that spx/kent moore corp no longer sells (discontinued) the J-38125-64SPL  kit for the micro64 gm connector. Now they sell the individual terminals (bag of 25) for the connector for around $15.
Part number 15356827-pkg http://www.spxkentmoore.com

[sperry]

Are those the smaller terminals?
The larger ones for the GM24 are in a bag of ten now. ($8.80)

[sperry]

BTW, the mic is for the luxury systems. The noise cancelling mic.

[3782steveo]

Well I ran into a snag getting the theftlock cleared on the nav unit I purchased. When I bought it, it was supposed to be a 10377287 head unit. When it got here it had no tag on the side of the radio, which worried me from the standpoint that it was the wrong radio, and the guy was trying to hide that fact as long as possible. Well, I hooked it up, and did the theftlock bypass trick, and it worked fine, so I figured it was the correct unit. I took it to the dealer today, and they said they could not clear the theftlock because they didn't have the ability to program that particular radio to my truck. They said they would have to call GM and they would send them a patch to download to their Tech II. They then pulled the head unit out to look at the sticker to get the part # and s/n, and said with the sticker missing, they would not do it. They DID tell me that they pulled the part # and s/n out of the radio, and the part # was not 10377287. They said it was 10333560. Apparently, they seem to be afraid of it being stolen, never came right out and said it, but that's what they insinuated. I was told that this unit came out of a 2005 Suburban, and I really don't think there's anything fishy here other than the part # being different than what I was told. Does the dealer really have to call GM to clear the theftlock, even with the TECH II?? Are they feeding me a line just because they don't know what they're doing, or maybe they just don't want to mess with it.

Any input would be appreciated. I thought that they just cleared the VIN and the radio then married to the truck. They're trying to tell me there is some programming involved.

[sperry]

P/N's change all the time. And they're really dumb (or the radio is bad) if they did that to get the part number! It reads off in the Tech 2!

However it's nice that they are making the extra effort for you.

The fact that it's out of an 05 `burb should be ok. (If you hadn't changed your amp from the stock "premium" amp.)

Here's what they could have done; it should have worked for them.
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Utilizing Tech 2 To Retrieve Part Numbers for Radios, Compact Disc (CD) Changers and Instrument Panel Clusters (IPC) #04-08-44-005 - (Mar 24, 2004)

2000-2004 Passenger Cars and Trucks

2003-2004 HUMMER H2

This bulletin is being published in conjunction with a GMSPO Parts bulletin GMP04-018 (US only) in order to clarify that the removal of several components solely to obtain part numbers may not always be necessary. Parts numbers for numerous radios, CD changers and I/P clusters are retrievable using a Tech 2®. This eliminates the need to remove the component solely to determine the part number. Note that if the component was removed during the diagnostic process, then the part number found on the part label can be used to order the replacement part.

On vehicles where the Tech 2® is used to retrieve the part number of a component, additional labor should NOT be submitted for removal and installation to gain access to the part label.

The Tech 2® should be used to retrieve the part number of the radio, CD changer and I/P cluster from the vehicles listed in the table below.

Important

When navigating through the Tech 2® menus, upon reaching the module selection list, choose either "Radio" or "Navigation Radio" as appropriate. Do not select "Digital Radio Receiver" as it is actually the XM receiver and not the radio.

Click on the link for the image to properly display for you. The site is not allowing the height of this image.
 ...Fixed.

[05lanch]

sounds like a bunch of crock to me why dose the stealership seem so uneducated when it comes to the smallest thing  if it worked with theftloc bypass trick then it should work in your truck go to a different dealer and have them program it 

[sperry]

Even though they made an extra effort for you, as you see, they apparently just don't know.  Some info may be valid, but that's what they received over the phone. From what I ran into with multiple scenario's, I'm not surprised.

If they didn't have this document, copy & paste this, or write down the document number for them.

Often they don't even know where to look for these simple procedures!

Document ID# 1275527
   
Radio Setup (With RPO UM8)

Radio Theftlock Clear Procedure

Complete the following procedure, using a scan tool, in order to properly set up communication:

   1. At the Main Menu screen, select: Diagnostics.
   2. At the Vehicle Identification screen, select the following options:
          * Model Year
          * LD Trk, MPV, Incomplete
   3. At the System Selection Menu screen, select: Body
   4. At the Vehicle Identification screen, select the following:
          * Appropriate model
          * Appropriate Air Conditioning
          * Navigation Radio
   5. At the Body Screen, select: Navigation Radio.
   6. At the Radio screen, select: Special Functions.
   7. At the Special Functions screen, select: VIN Relearn.
   8. At the VIN Relearn screen, the scan tool will display "Do you want to clear radio theft information?"
   9. To begin clearing, press the soft touch key on the top right of the scan tool. The scan tool will display "Clearing Radio Theft in Progress."
  10. Press EXIT on the scan tool and cycle the ignition.

Important: The radio theft will learn the VIN. Without learning the VIN, the radio will display a locked message (LOC or LOCKED).

[3782steveo]

Ok Sperry, they pulled the 10333560 part number from the Tech II.

Should they select MY VEHICLE model and year, or the vehicle that it came out of? Since the Silverado does not come with the nav radio, will it be available under that VIN?

[Avialanche]

Sperry,

        Could you fix the link regarding the wiring harness change/Mods for the Luxury amp upgrade, there's an old link on page 24, but it doesn't work.         

[sperry]

OK... Thanx..

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With the Silverado (Please make that destinct!) I presume Avalanche and don't get a year model either.. `can't read minds! Or can't read, if you stated that earlier. 

The closest (With a nav) would be more like a Sierra Denali.  If there's no access in a tech 2 for a Nav radio theftlock clear in a Silverado.

It reads the VIN afterward (During a key on/off recycle if I remember...) They have cleared OK before in Silverado's.

That should be able to sub to a sierra in the platform type C/K selection.
But ONLY if it doesn't show Silverado.

They keep changing the Tech 2 software (of course) and that doesn't make it easy to remember for me, since I seldom get to play with one.

If it faults, try the 05 `burb like you were going to.

[sperry]

Sperry,

 Could you fix the link regarding the wiring harness change/Mods for the Luxury amp upgrade, there's an old link on page 24, but it doesn't work.

I went way back there... the only link I found was an e-mail!(Besides the pic's) What reply # was it?

[3782steveo]

Sorry, it's a 2004 Silverado SS. I'm going to a different dealer tommorrow, where my cousin is the general service manager. It's a bit of a drive, that's why I didn't go there today, I thought this was something that any knucklehead with a Tech 2 could do.

Thakns so much for your help, Sperry.