2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 3

[sperry]

Mine did that once, then worked. but I rarely use it.

That RSA is a premium unit, as you know and I kept going back & forth on it's muting function, thinking it's a different one than the lux. Apparently it is because of apparent software differences. When mine decided to mute after it initially didn't, I went on to other things..

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 If you tapped the amp's class II at the RSA's A1, maybe later on, run that tap to sp207. That's an experimental suggestion, but I have some suspicions about it.

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#4: Yup! Wise move.

#1: I believe the seat removal is if you're planning a harness change and amp frame removal. Seats only need to be moved back & forth to access console screws. Plan your battery disconnect accordingly.

Second #3: It's just a capacitor at the tweeter speaker. The usual Bozo ...
For more highs, install some pocket tweeters. (They fit in the front section of the front door pockets).

Oh, and √ Good write-up!

[younghog]

OHH YEA!!

Where's the poll at??

As of Noon today I am officially rolling in my 2004 z71 AV with onstar and XM in full LUX mode!! Had my service guy read the Tech 2 instructions and BAM, LUX CITY!!

Things I learned on the install:

1. The center console can be removed with out removing the seats.

2. A Y91 harness for $30 on ebay is a really good buy and will help alot!!
    If not just for the CDX and mic wires then the pin extraction practice.

4. Doing the lux amp first, testing it and then the cdx and testing it,
   and then the SVG 707 and testing, saves alot of trouble shooting time!


7. The rsa does not come on in the first "ON" key position.
    I wasted alot of time freaking out about this. And it was all good!!

8. You need a WHOLE DAY to do the install.

9. Research and print outs are the key.

And last but not least this forum is the BEST!!
I would like to thank SPERRY, DURAMAXHD, & PBUILDER for all their help, knowledge, but most of all the super quick replys! It was truly an educational experience!

I do have some straggling questions.

1. Upon examination the pillar tweeters have four wires going into the connector but only 2 wires going into the speaker. Since I want to keep the connector disconnect, what two wires would I tap into for the lux amp's front tweeter output?

2. Are those really tweeters?

THANKS AGAIN!!

Congrads on the Full LUX..

--Center Console--
I didn't remove my seats.. Just unscrewed my middle
console, RSA CONTROLS and bent that bar and went on
from there. I did wish for a minute the drivers wasn't as far back after battery disconnect but just layed over the back seat..

I actually had more room with the seats back than I think I would if they were forward.

--Y91 HARNESS..

A true GOD SEND.. however mine didn't have the mic.
But we easily tested on all of the pinouts before going
to the real thing.. probably did the amp re-wire in 4 minutes,

only got slowed on the cdx re-wire.. 

ON all of the re-wire one of us would call back the colors
and cross check the pinouts and tug the wires before moving on.
Just saves time and hassle.

--RSA does not come on in ACC or first 'ON' position.
I'd check your steps on the re-wire as mine came on like a champ.

We were able to put in spiderman thats when I saw the pop up of
the front and rear mute speaker option.. Which is a hell of a future
I must add.

I'll take a pic of that soon..

--Research and printouts are key

I SECOND THAT MOTION.. When I bought the cadillac escalade lux
harness and printed my notes and placed in a 3 hole binder all the lights
started coming on..

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And last but not least this forum is the BEST!!
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I GOT CIGARS FOR WHOEVER SMOKES THEM.. AS THIS FORUM IS THE BEST.

Pillar Tweeters

I'm guessing your referring to the front speakers up the
sides by the front glass?

In my non-lux standard harness these were not wired to the amp and
I assumed that they were ran in parrallel as they do get sound from
them.. I would like to splice or trace them and run them to their proper
location.. But hey its working so no need to

Again Congrads

I'll be posting all my notes and pics tomorrow..

YOUNGHOG

[sperry]

They tap off of the front door speakers. The capacitor at the tweeters gives it the "high-pass".

[holstbnet]

Ya know.. I'm surprised at how "rare" the INR/TNRs really are! I was at a Cadillac dealer today, and a GMC dealer and I saw only ONE Escalade with a TNR, and nothing at the GMC dealer. Every car had a UC6 or a regular RDS cd. How strange is that? It's 2005 and navigation is still this HUGE luxury for GM cars. LOL! And what's funny is I'm ready to dump my old school '04 INR and move on to a TNR already.   

[sperry]

`Tis weird..

 I may do that next year. Paying off the truck is a priority right now. Hopefully all mine by august.

[holstbnet]

One quick note - then SPX/Kent-Moore J-38125-64SPL extractor kit with pins for the "digital radio receiver" (XM radio module plug) has been discontinued and there are no replacement P/Ns. I just called Kent-Moore today to order the #7740 pin extractor after I found out my company has an account with them. :-) #7740 is $12.68! Must be a fancy lil paperclip.

[holstbnet]

Sperry I tried to PM you but you're blocking..  Does your SI go to 2005? If so would you be so kind as to look up an 05 Chevy Blazer steering wheel audio controls and see if they go directly to the HU or if they go to the BCM?

I'd really appreciate it. -- I'm running into a dilemma trying to add factory steering wheel controls to the INR HU.

[sperry]

A7 of the radio..

Here's the print of the audio controls..

2005 S/T Truck..
The image expands; how, depends on your browser.

[holstbnet]

Thanks for the info! I'm guess I'm SOL trying to run steering wheel controls and an INR without a BCM swap. 

The good news is that I finally bought a Nav DVD (3.0) off eBay, brand new for $189.00. Not too shabby.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7969745256&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Now I have to tear into my dash and run that VSS wire.

[sperry]

Nothing saying it won't work.. Yet.

Connect the wire to radio connector 1, A7 and see! It may say "unused" but that's in a GMT800 family. This HU goes into several other's too, so it may just read them OK..

Just make sure of your connections!

The BCM just encodes the reading into DATA in the Av. There may be a circuit in the radio that reads it directly. Just not documented for the GMT800 trucks.

So, I feel it's worth a try...

[sperry]

Here's the GMT800's. You can see that the layout electrically is similar. Unfortunately, resistor values are not given, but if you need that, just measure the incremenal changes for each button.

To tap the power and connect the select input in the S/T vehicles, use the same connection you see in the upper and lower left of the previous schematic. Instead of the BCM connections you see below.

Good luck!

[holstbnet]

So I got that SPX/Kent-Moore terminal pick for GM micro connectors...



THIS is worth $12.88??

[holstbnet]

Oooh! I forgot to mention, I also finally bought a Navigation DVD, 3.0 off eBay. Those things are dual layer, 5.8 gigs of data, give or take. I was surprised the businesses this thing has in it, I typed in the main phone number for my work and it actually found it!

[sperry]

The data is somewhat surprising. Some you expect isn't there and some you wouldn't, is...

I'll post that pic in the tech section if you wish..

My little screwdriver works fine... Hmmm, I could buy a lot of those little tools with that $12.88!

[duramaxHD]

hmmm... so the earlier versions of the map DVD (like 1.0 and 2.0) are smaller? Are they single layer discs? Cause I have heard of guys saying "oh yeah i copied the Delco TNR/INR nav disc just fine..." and I was confused because I have exhausted all efforts and wasted about 40 dollars worth of dual-layer DVD's trying to burn a copy that works!!! The closest I got was when my TNR recognized it as a nav DVD and it said "dvd check in process" and then it just said "nav dvd scratched or dirty. remove and inspect". Oh well.
Steve-- wow!! 7000 posts!!!!! I got your PM and when I have a free moment I will load some TNR install pics onto my album and then put the links up...

----Ben

[holstbnet]

Ben, I have no clue what the 1.0 and 2.0 DVDs are, but they are most likely dual-layer also. All of those DVDs were released in the span of about 2 years, so it's not like a 1.0 DVD is old technology.. they are just updated because of road changes and software updates for the radio, etc.

I'm going to try and burn a copy this weekend, I'll let you know how that goes. I don't plan on setting up a bootlegger shop, I just don't feel comfortable letting an easily scratchable $200 DVD rattle around in my truck (especially since I don't have a changer so I have to remove the DVD to play CDs.) It would be nice to have a burned copy to use and keep the original safe.

[holstbnet]

Well, S-10 steering wheel controls don't work...properly...with the INR HU. I hooked up my new steering wheel (not mounted, just loose) through a clockspring and wired the ground and power in properly, and the ran the signal wire to A7 of the C1 connector. Now, my wheel looks like this:

And what happens is... the PROG button works as it should, switches from preset to preset. Only half of the seek button works, to seek up. Seek down mutes the radio. The mute button and volume up/down on the right don't do ANYTHING.

Sooo.. A7 does accept input from steering wheel controls independant of class 2, but the S/T platform buttons must have the wrong resistance values. I would have to switch to a GMT800 steering wheel/airbag if that is even possible. Chances are I'm going to say "screw it" to this project and worry about other stuff. (like selling a kidney to buy a TNR and the XM kit) 

[sperry]

I've never been in there.. Just the prints. Resistors are cheap, perhaps if you could measure what you have, and measure an 03+ GMT800, you could adjust the values and/or assignments. If they're chip type (SMC), they can be had easy too, but a bit harder to deal with.

[holstbnet]

Navigation is finally 100% up and running. VSS wire has been run, GPS antenna mounted securely in the dash. Also - back when it was actually hot out in Chicago a couple weeks ago (80 degrees or so) and I was doing a lot of driving, a message came up on my screen saying "The radio has exceeded it's normal temperature limits. Some functionality will be disabled until the temperature is back within limits" or something to that effect. Then later on it popped up and said that the temperature has normalized. I also noticed the fan was running too much for day to day driving.

Well, I found the problem.. there was a huge label slapped on the side of the unit over the cooling holes on the right side, and the fan on the left side was blowing right into a fiberglass dash support piece. So I removed the label (it was just a avery tag with a number hand-written on it, not the Delphi label) and I notched out a fan shaped section in the dash support so the fan can flow properly. Works much nicer now, and I haven't even heard the fan!!

So anyways.. I LOVE the navigation - this is the first time I've heard the voice prompts and all of that. Works extremely well.

[sperry]

Interesting to know of the message.. As much as one plays with these things, we experience or hear of something new it seems, everyday..

As far as S/W controls, I bet they can be made to work.. But with the time to tinker with it just to find out..

[holstbnet]

And something funny about that overheat warning message? It had a TYPO! The first screen said "TEMPERATUE" - When the "temp returned to normal" screen appeared, it was spelled correctly that time.

The more I think about it -- I definitely want to get the steering wheel controls working. Either mine are defective (wheel was from a junkyard car that was outside, and wheel DID get wet.) or I have incorrect resistance. Only problem is that SI doesn't seem to go into detail about how the controls work, and if it is still by resistance, what the values are.

It's nice to have the steering wheel controls because Delphi can't seem to manufacture buttons that don't wear down after a year or two. Maybe ALL of their radios should be touch screen. 

[sperry]

That's funny, maybe send an e-mail to Delphi..

With "leakage" paths that develop from moisture and electrolysis, that may have been your faulty operation.

Access the board/switches and clean them up with vinegar, (then alcohol if there's some other contaminant needing it). Blow it dry, and so-on. Then retry it.

[duramaxHD]

Sorry guys this is sort of a stupid question...but everytime I look at my TNR this bugs me... WHAT IS THIS SYMBOL!?!? How does that little thing, in any way, represent "tuning knob"

---Ben

[holstbnet]

Picture an old radio dial, on an analog tuner...

[duramaxHD]

ahhhhhh!!!!! i see it now!! haha thats kinda neat. Thanks for filling me in!

---Ben

I wonder how universal symbols like that were "devised" in the first place...like the "eject" symbol, the "play" symbol, etc...