2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 3

[sperry]

Refer to Part 2 (Beginning) or (end) or continue with the topic here....

Or: 2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 1 ( Beginning), or (End)

Edit: Linking.

[smokinfish]

Ok refering to the schematic -
B10 Dk Blu wire on C1 connector where is that coming from?
Do I need to take the Dk Blu Wire from the rsa connector and attach it here?
Gracias

[sperry]

OK, that print was just more handy..

The splice pack is the normal factory connection where accessory outputs are parallel tapped.

 The more-direct method, as it's more easily accessed, is the head unit connector 2.

[smokinfish]

OK still little confused, So I will need to run a whole new wire for B10 on the amp connector?
Doesn't the rsa have a class 2 wire?

Which is the class 2 wire on that HU connector?

B10      DK BLU      2272      Amplifier Class 2 Serial Data

[sperry]

Hmmmm, now you have me confused!

You asked about the cdx having one channel out... I didn't recall you mentioning the RSA.

Your issue was with the CDX (Actually MDX) not having audio in one channel. If other devices operate OK, then refer to the diagrams.

If it's another problem such as a data connection, I'll continue on that..

Yes, you can connect that wire to the RSA (A1). The routing of the amp's class II wire to SP207 is factory, as SP207 is a class II "HUB" for several devices.

Electrically, it's the same but if class II was a higher data rate, that wouldn't be advisable.

There were no known problems I had heard of at this point, however it isn't a standard factory connection and could be a problem in the future for someone trying to sort out a fault... But then again, neither is the amp wiring and replacement... So no biggie..

[smokinfish]

Ok Sperry I think you have me confused with somone else.
I asking not for the cdx but for the lux install.
When installing the lux amp the c1 connector for the lux amp calls for a a DK BLU 2272 Amplifier Class 2 Serial Data  for B10.

My question is where does this wire come from and do I need to run a new one.
Is there a class 2 dk blue wire in the rsa that I can disconnect and connect it to B10 on C1. Since the rsa won't run on class 2 anymore anyways?

[sperry]

RSA should work on the lux system since it's a class II device, It's just switched differently. So you just tap the connection instead of move it.

In the premium system, the rear channels route through the RSA to the dumb amp's rear inputs.

In the Luxury system the rear HU outputs are exclusively for the RSA. The Lux amp processes and controls the rear outputs (and muting for RSA operation), internally. All derived and processed from the front audio pair. The class II controls all that, between the amp, RSA and the HU.

[sperry]

Yes, I did have you mixed up.. With the topic break handling and all, I guess that's what it was

Hopefully lungin can make sense of the prints I posted for his issue..

[smokinfish]

Thanks for the info Sperry.

Next question, do you have a diagram for the rsa connector?
In looking at the Y91 harness the rsa has alot less wires. Should the wires in my non Y91 mimic the Y91 Harness? Or should I just leave all those wires intact?

Is the rsa effected by programming the amp?
Should the rsa work if the amp isn't programmed?

Gracias!

[sperry]

My RSA had audio before my amp was procrammed or even wired correctly.

The Lux has fewer wires because you don't have to route that rear audio back to the amp.

The wires that don't say "Except Y91" are inputs from the HU rear audio out.

RSA Connector PinOuts:
       
Connector Part Information      12110206   
      24-Way F Micro-Pack 100 Series (LT BLU)   
         
Pin   Wire Color   Circuit No.   Function
         
A1   LT BLU   2288   RSA Class 2 Serial Data
         
A2   ORN   340   Battery Positive Voltage
         
A3   --   --   Not Used
         
A4   BLK/WHT   1851   Ground
         
A5   BARE   2099   Drain Wire (Except Y91)
         
A6   DK GRN/WHT   1547   Left Rear Low Level Audio Signal (-)
         
A7   BLK   1946   Right Rear Low Level Audio Signal (-)
         
A8   DK GRN/WHT   1547   Left Rear Low Level Audio Signal (-) (Except Y91)
         
A9   BLK   1946   Right Rear Low Level Audio Signal (-) (Except Y91)
         
A10-A12   --   --   Not Used
         
B1-B4   --   --   Not Used
         
B5   BARE   2099   Drain Wire
         
B6   BRN   599   Left Rear Low Level Audio Signal (+)
         
B7   DK BLU   546   Right Rear Low Level Audio Signal (+)
         
B8   BRN   599   Left Rear Low Level Audio Signal (+) (Except Y91)
         
B9   DK BLU   546   Right Rear Low Level Audio Signal (+) (Except Y91)
         
B10-B12   --   --   Not Used

[lungin]

I'm following you Sperry.   So I'm looking at H, J, and K on the smaller HU connector to hopefully find my problem, correct?  I'm guessing that H is probably lose or a bad connection, because when I first completed the install, it didn't work.  I tested again, and it did.  Then I put everything back together and found that it wasn't working again.  Hopefully that's it.  The radio is definitely functioning correctly, only the cd shows this problem.  I'll keep you updated!

Thanks for the help!

Brad

[sperry]

At least you know it's a bad connection instead of a mis-wire..

You'll get it soon, no doubt....

[smokinfish]

So should the rsa wiring just stay as is?
Or should any (except Y91) connections be tied off.

Another interesting note is that my Y91 harness has NO Drain Wires (B5) connected to the rsa. There is only B6 BRN and B7 DRK BLU.

Also when wiring the CDX the harness needs to be tied into wires that are behind the HU. What is the recommended method??
Wire taps?
Cut the wire and tie all three ends together?
Some how peel back the wire shield on the HU wire and tie in there and then solder?
I like the idea of the last one but how do you move the jacket down if the connector is on the end??

Thanks for all your help!! I'm learning alot!!

[sperry]

When the amp connectors are rewired, the RSA wires are stubbed off there. No need to duplicate the effort at the RSA .

[lungin]

Theftlock cleared and all is well....except for the CD changer, which I'll look at tonight. 

The dealer service asst. manager asked when I brought it in if I knew the VIN of the vehicle the NAV came out of.  I told him I didn't think he'd need it and produced the instructions printed off of this site.  He took it back to his tech and returned in about five minutes to tell me it was done and it went smoothly.  He said they had never done it that way before, so I think we taught them something.  The best part.....no charge! 

On another note, has anyone used the soundgate KNGM1 to add sirius with the LUX Nav/cd changer setup?  Tech support at Soundgate indicated that they weren't sure if it would work with the cd changer.   


Brad

[sperry]

If they use the same address of the CD changer, of course there will be a conflict. If they just seek an open port, and you have no RSE or XM, then that would (with little doubt anyway) work.

Just ask them if the adapter will work on Escalades or Denali's. If so, then the retrofit Lux system with the changer in the Av should have the same result..

[sperry]

Good to hear of another dealer that treats their customers like that.

Many that find out how, tend to not charge. The other's, unless they can print the same document from their Dealer World / SI terminal, don't usually want to bother or "take the chance".

[smokinfish]

Ok I was checking out the front pillar tweeters today, and they are wired kind of funky.

From the connector to the tweeters are 2 wires but from the connector to the dash harness there are four wires. If I want to tie in to the lux amps front tweeter connections, how could I connect it at the connector that goes from the dash?
That way I can still disconnect the tweeters and pull out the dpillar cover with no problem??

Are these really tweeters like in the Lux vehicles or are they a hybrid because non lux run stereo through them??

As always THANK YOU!

[younghog]

Alright I'm very close to installing this LUX SYSTEM. 

A finally got a brain knock via gmcjimmyguy that I do have the RADIO C2 connector since I have XM.. So all items are in place.

Looking at the C2 schematic and talking offline with DuraMax. I'm seriously looking at adding a HANDSFREE or at least the option to listen to my cell phone caller through PIN L AND PIN M..

Has anyone done this? Can't find much on this when searching.

I did find this thread..

http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,35349.40.html

Advise on how I can say HERE and have the thread link in my post as standard
html doesn't seem to work i.e. a word link to an html url...  So I don't have to copy the entire link on my posts.

But on the thread above it looks like I can install the handsfree kit or a portion of it. Does the kit use the Audiopilot mic or another mic?

Reading that thread.. It didn't look like z71mann
completed it so has anyone done this..

Yes I read the thread but it didn't detail and seemed to just end as z71mann didn't list if he completed the mic install.

Can someone advise and post part #s instructions etc.

YOUNGHOG

--EDITED.. SHOULD READ SINCE I HAVE 'XM'

[smokinfish]

Think I would just switch to verizon. It would be way easier!

http://www.verizonwireless.com:8080/onstar/

[sperry]

Younghog:

You have this:

Code:

http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,35349.40.html

You want this:

Code:

[url=http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,35349.40.html]HERE[/url]

Would show this: HERE

Adding a few other BB codes to it like this:

Code:

[url=http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,35349.40.html][u]HERE[/u][/url]

Would make it like this: HERE

 

[sperry]

You can even click on a smiley!

These are separated in two parts so the screen wasn't too wide from a single line. Only you would enter it as a single line.

Code:

[url=http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,35349.40.html]

Code:

[img]http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/Smileys/cafcna/smiley.gif[/img][/url]

Click here:

This would work for other images too.

Edit: Two-parted the last code  - `Was too wide for presentation.

[teksavy]

Hi Sperry-

I've been enjoying all the posts on the TNR Nav solution. Your assistance is amazing. What an asset to the club. It is amazing how much the nav stuff has taken off!

I've been enjoying all of the info on the 3 part mega thread and think that I have most of the info.

I do, however, have a couple of questions that I cannot seem to find the answers for and hope that you can help.

1)Is the microphone used on the AudioPilot used for voice commands too? Or is there a seperate mic?

2)How do you issue a voice command? When I press the "talking head guy" button on my steering wheel, OnStar comes on. Does this button get overloaded when you are in navigation mode?

3)For the mic on the AudioPilot, when I order it, does it come with the harness so that I can put pins onto the lux amp connector? What else do I need to install the mic? Can I use any mic?

Thanks alot!

-Ed

[sperry]

Hi Ed! Where have you been?

The Delphi units don't have voice command, only the Denso ones do, so far.. (OEM that is..)

The Lux/AudioPilot mic (in the console) is separate from the OnStar mic (by the rear-view mirror).

[younghog]

Hi Ed! Where have you been?

The Delphi units don't have voice command, only the Denso ones do, so far.. (OEM that is..)

The Lux/AudioPilot mic (in the console) is separate from the OnStar mic (by the rear-view mirror).

That answered a lot of things i.e. 'Delphi units don't have voice command'

Could or is the audiopliot mic used in handsfree install?

Thanks for the code instructions.. I know html.. but just couldn't get that thing to work.. 


SmokinFish

Think I would just switch to verizon. It would be way easier!

http://www.verizonwireless.com:8080/onstar/

Your link does not work.. And i'm just going to skip the mic route and do my install tomorrow.

Roy