2nd Cad Nav in the Av - In & Working! PART 3

[sperry]

That's BB Code!

Regardless, no prob!

[teksavy]

Thanks for the info Sperry. I look forward to seeing you soon. Perhaps MegaMeetII?

That certainly clears things up. So it sounds like the microphone isn't really worth it. Opinions? Its $25 through GM parts direct.

Sperry- I'm sorry if this has been discussed ad nasuem, but some remaining clarification questions:

1)Do I need to order a special pin extraction tool, or can I make a paperclip work to extract the pins. Some said yes, others said no.

2)Do I need to order a bag of leads to make connections? The replies I saw seemed to contradict each other.

3)If I get a lux amp, does it need to be programmed by the tech 2? I think that if it was in a car before, than no, but if it is new, then yes. Correct?

4)Is there a central repository where one can get the tech 2 programming instructions and the pinout wiring diagram, or do I need to wade through the oodles of posts. I found the wiring diagram, but is way WAY back and I want to make sure I have the latest one.

5)Can I T-tap the VSS signal from the cluster and run to the micropack connector, or do both pins need to be removed from each connector (inst cluster and radio.)

In regards to the Verizon/Onstar thing, you need to have an 04 AV and up with digital hardware. Even if you lie to them saying that you upgraded the OnStar unit to digital, they will deny you. I tried. There is a digitial transisition page on OnStar that is supposed to be updated with retrofit information. Here is the site:
Digital Transistion FAQ


Thanks again!

-Ed

[sperry]

From what I have as a confirmation, If it's analog, digital ready, it will upgrade. 02's are out, 03 through mid 04 , you need to wait for them to contact you. Anotherwords, If it says "OnStar ready", it will upgrade. If it has "Digit Dial" it won't need anything but a likely programming update, if at all.

As far as the Vorizen deal, the analog is out, unless/until it's upgraded to digital..

[sperry]

5) Yep! But you need a terminal for pin "E" of radio connector 2. UNLESS you have an audio adapter that has that wire already. Then just tap to it.

4) Those are on the site in this (earlier in #2) topic but not an established home yet (planned though). The needle in the haystack problem though. Even I have to search for it and it's my post! When I get a chance, I can e-mail it though.

3) It doesn't seem so any more. Most amps work from the box. I would get an vin from an EXT and get the latest for it. That way if it is pre-programmed, at least the correct number of speakers and acoustic setup is for your truck.

2) you can steal them from the RSA wires that are removed. But new ones are usually a 2- day order at a dealer. They list @ $8.80 a bag of 10.

1) I use a tiny screwdriver. All it has to do is push a latch tab aside. It's a little tougher than a  paper clip. The micro type terminal extractor tool, is a #7740, from SPX KentMoore Page 44 of their A7000 catalog.

Or, you can see what I did in this mod post HERE

[teksavy]

Thanks for the answers Sperry. One (last, hopefully) question. Since my stock stereo has SCV, I assume it is picking up the VSS. How came it needs to be tapped from the inst cluster?

The only thing that I can think of is that the radio gets the speed from class 2 data and not a pulsed signal like the VSS. Am I right?

-Ed

PS:I tried emailing you, but your email is hidden and I cannot PM you since you aren't accepting PMs. Please email the Tech 2 instructions and wiring changes when you get a chance. Plus I'd like to talk to you offline if possible.

[smokinfish]

Ok I'm Confused. The mic on the Lux is just a ambient noise mic right?
All it does is adjust the volume of the radio to go with the sound inside the truck.
Correct?

As far as the verizon thing, your chevy dealer should be able to upgrade you from analog to digital. And then you can use your onstar as a phone via verizon. The best is you don't have to buy those stupid onstar minutes!! RIP OFF!!

One more thing if I want to add the USASPEC aux input SVG 707 that accesses the RSE on the radio. Should I install that first before I have the lux amp programmed and tell them I have a rsa hook up or does it matter?

[sperry]

OK guys, here's what the mic does: AudioPilot 101.

[sperry]

Ed, the VSS for the SCV is within the class II BUS, the live VSS for "more important" modules and a "smooth" speedo indication, Cruize control, ABS, trans, safety features, rear wheel steering, etc. is what they use for the nav, so it'll keep working (in the same direction though) in tunnels, and so-on.

[sperry]

smokinfish,
      Regardless of the adapter, the RSE's fuse needs to be removed prior to programming. IF programming is needed. It would likely be a better practice to remove power from such an adapter also.

If I remember, the INFO fuse (the one OnStar uses also) is the one to remove. Pull it and see!

[sperry]

Found another source for some OEM terminals: Sherco OEM Type Terminals

[masterp2]

A little VSS switch humor:  In my truck, if it is navigating, the VSS switch pretty much locks up the TNR, no movement at all, the truck is "frozen".

I mention this because it is a quick way to disable the "misses" voice if you want to have some peace and quiet w/o taking your attention to go thru the menus to do it.

[sperry]

It will do that; When I hooked mine up, it didn't budge for five minutes, then 2, then 30 seconds, then less and less until it smoothed out, as I was driving. Soon after, I had the codes cleared. No entertainment DTC's since.

However, I didn't install a switch, so I don't have the on & off...

[duramaxHD]

Steve--     I went ahead and purchased a 5 day subscription to the AC Delco "TDS" because I figured I could get lots of info and schematics and general "stuff" for my Escalade/lux console installation in my truck. (physically its a direct swap with my current standard console...but electrically the harnesses dont match ) Well here I am deep into the thousands of pages in this INCREDIBLE database!! Its so hard to stay on track and just search for what I need...Ill see a schematic for something else cool and check it out...then something else etc...before you know it im way off track.
BUT one thing I am curious about. Is there any way to "save" all the info (pictures and everything intact) on a certain page to my computer so I can look at it again when my subscription expires??? So far the only way I see is to to "print screen" and then paste it into Photoshop and save it as a jpeg. Of course this gets a little frustrating.. And also, I cant enlarge the pictures because Internet Explorer is just being a pain and it wont even let me log into the TDS database when I try with Mozilla Firefox (which deals with large pics better). How do you do it? Thanks!

----Ben

[sperry]

This was found in the April 2005 Techlink just posted here:

This is the UB0 & UB1, however some tips may be useful..

Radio Reprogramming:

This information applies to 2005 Buick Rainier, 2005 Cadillac Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT, 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche, Express, Silverado, Suburban, Tahoe, TrailBlazer, TrailBlazer EXT, 2005 GMC Envoy, Envoy XL, Envoy XUV, Savana, Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL, Denali, 2005 HUMMER H2 with CD Player Radio (RPOs UB0 or UB1).

Some customers may comment about one of the following conditions:
- Long CD load-to-play time
- CD ejects with an error message of CHECK CD
- CD does not return to previous track after an ignition cycle
- The clock resets to 12:00.
- CD stuck in player, CD won’t play, or won’t eject without any indication of clicking noises and/or mechanical operation.

DO NOT replace the radio for these conditions.

A software anomaly within the radio has been found. Reprogram the radio with an updated software calibration. This new service calibration was released with TIS satellite data update version 2.0 available February 7, 2005.

TIP: A unique labor operation number R0125 covers this Radio -- Reprogram (0.4 hr.). This number will not be published in the Labor Time Guide.

TIP: Be sure your Tech 2 is updated with the latest software version.

TIP: Advise the customer that home-burned CDs must be burned with a "closed session" or the formatting will be incomplete and the player will not read the CD. CDs should not have adhesive paper labels affixed to them, because the labels may lift off in the player.

- Thanks to Doug Daugherty, GM Techlink.

[sperry]

Ben, Download firefox and when you get used to it/like it, make it your default browser.

Right clicking on an image to view or copy it has been very handy for me!

It's e-mail companion is Thunderbird, I feel it's easier to manage records and catagorize your archived e-mails.

When I right click on an image in a GM document, I can first, get the fit-in-page view, I click on the (+) and can get the native size!

Or, among other easily accessed options, you can save it or "Save to" another name. Makes it easy!

[sperry]

BTW, not all the files at once! You will need to coordinate your filing structure, prefix name format each document, save as an html. That makes a directory for the images and you can reference it later offline. I use the format as: 1234567-89_Name_Of_The_Doc.htm, in the appropriate sub-directory. It will make it's own attachment directory if needed, under the same name, with "_Files" appended instead of .htm...

The "89" is just the model year, if it's specific.

[duramaxHD]

Ahh thanks Steve...I got it. I tried Firefox originally, but it would not let me log into the AC Delco TDS site. Im guessing I just have to mess around with the cookies settings... Boy I was cruisin thruogh those pages like a mad man grabbing and saving everything I could!! BUT I hit jackpot when I was in the "2005 Denali" section. I found the "C306" connector pinout (thats the HUGE "main" body-to-console connector). However, last time (Im pretty sure it was you who sent me the pinout of it a while ago), for some reason the pinout did not have the Lux (Y91) version. So I had no way of knowing how my console harness plug was different from the NON-lux harness plugs. This new 2005 Denali C306 pinout has both non-Y91 and Y91 pinouts. For guys who want to do the Denali/Escalade console upgrade, its as good as gold! I attached it for anyone who is looking to do a console swap.

---Ben

[sperry]

Ben, the board sizes the images here. If the native width resolution is greater than 500, the text will distort. If you want to upload a larger image, use the album button above. Find "Submit" after your album is created. You can load much larger images but when they display, they are similar to the size here.. HOWEVER, when you click on them - WOW!

As an example: Click HERE

If you have FireFox, click on the doc image. Unless you're running a hell of a Hi-Res screen, you'll see it's larger.. But still unclear. With the (+) mag glass mouse pointer over it, click it again, there's the clean image.

The WoW isn't over, proceed down into the console R&R files and try it on some of those images IF the (+) shows. (The first one doesn't expand much in that post.)

Now, down even farther are connector layout posts. These were screen captured @ 500 wide, using PrintKey (`Very useful and well-done freeware!) They don't expand since they are posted at their native res. But note how clean they are!

Here's the Part 1

Code:

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Part 2

Code:

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These stiched together, I had to separate them so the screen width here wouldn't corrupt!

Edit: Had to adjust that - still!

[duramaxHD]

Perfect! Thanks for the tip Steve! I think I understand what I need to do... I tried loading that big picture into my album but it gave me an error saying the picture was too big (in resolution, not file size).  Its 1 meg in file size but 1080x2116 in res. Im not sure what the max uploadable res is... If need be I can just chop it in half with photoshop. I only run my screen at 1152x864 so I still have to zoom in with Firefox on some pics...

------Ben

[sperry]

2000 pixels, either way and 2MB.

[lungin]

Well, I pulled the radio this morning to try and figure out why I wasn't getting any audio out of the right channel only while the cd is playing.  Playing around with the wires revealed that it was definitely the C2 radio connector where the cdx audio plugs in.  All the connections seemed good, but I pulled the three from the aux connector out and re-set them.....I'm good to go!


Thanks again for everyone's help on here!


Brad

[sperry]

`Kinda thought that would be it .. or a bogus tap connection in the area.

Another solved....

[smokinfish]

OHH YEA!!

Where's the poll at??

As of Noon today I am officially rolling in my 2004 z71 AV with onstar and XM in full LUX mode!! Had my service guy read the Tech 2 instructions and BAM, LUX CITY!!

Please take note that in January I installed a non lux TNR and by April I installed a LUX TNR with a 6 disc changer. Then installed my non lux in a 2003 AV.
Bet I'm the first to do all that!

What I installed: Lux amp, the indash 6 disc changer and the usa spec SVG 707.
And all I can say is "CLEARER!"
The best way to describe it is "Loud music you can talk through"
I had missed that from my aftermarket system days. The Lux system pulls that off.
Bass is about as same as the premium amp, so is volume. It's just cleaner, not so muddy, even at low volumes.

Things I learned on the install:

1. The center console can be removed with out removing the seats.

2. A Y91 harness for $30 on ebay is a really good buy and will help alot!!
    If not just for the CDX and mic wires then the pin extraction practice.

3. Indash 6 disc is the way to go. Especially with a disc dependent nav system.

4. Doing the lux amp first, testing it and then the cdx and testing it,
   and then the SVG 707 and testing, saves alot of trouble shooting time!

5. The SVG 707 is a piece of cake to install and gives you aux inputs with a rse
    screen. Can you say ipod or aftermarket dvd?!
    This thing is great if you don't already have one!!

6. The TNR will only respond to the theftlock bypass in the first "ON" key position.
    Pulling the fuse or pulling the 24 pin connector I could not get it to work in any
    other position. If anyone else has gotten a TNR to respond in any other
    position, please let me know the details.

7. The rsa does not come on in the first "ON" key position.
    I wasted alot of time freaking out about this. And it was all good!!

8. You need a WHOLE DAY to do the install.

9. Research and print outs are the key.

10. A printout of the layout for the mic holes makes for pretty drilling.

And last but not least this forum is the BEST!!
I would like to thank SPERRY, DURAMAXHD, & PBUILDER for all their help, knowledge, but most of all the super quick replys! It was truly an educational experience!

I do have some straggling questions.

1. Upon examination the pillar tweeters have four wires going into the connector but only 2 wires going into the speaker. Since I want to keep the connector disconnect, what two wires would I tap into for the lux amp's front tweeter output?

2. Are those really tweeters?

3. Where is the crossover on the tweeter?
   
4. Is it a tweeter crossover?

Next mod Headrest monitors with a dvd/mp3 player in the center console!!
Anyone know if the Directed DVD player ( seems to be the smallest with the features I want) can be controlled by the IR on the Vizualogic monitors?

THANKS AGAIN!!

[smokinfish]

Ok I was playing around with my new lux set up, checking it all out and I did find one problem.

The rsa when turned on is not muting the back speakers.
Why is this and how can I fix it? Does anyone else have this problem?

Thanks!

[duramaxHD]

With the LUX amp, the RSA tells the amp to mute the output to the back speakers over Class II data...the only thing I can think of is that when you spliced into the Class II wire with your nav install, the Class II data wire got disconnected from the RSA. But then again, I dont think the RSA would even turn on if it didnt have Class II data sooo...hmmm....

---Ben