Topic: Tailgate torsion bar lift assist (removes 70% tailgate weight) (Read 111748 times)

_gadget_ · « **on:** 05/11/07 08:13 AM »

Everyone with an Avalanche knows the tailgate is WAY TOO HEAVY. GM has worked to resolve the issue in 2007 with springs on the hinges. Good for ’07, but what about us with the ’02 – ’06 trucks? Well glad you asked. There is a least one company who makes a product to help. It’s not designed for Avalanches, and I may contact them again to see if they would be willing to make a version for the AV, but I did find a way to make the existing product work for Avalanches / Esclalanches. (That is my name for EXTs)

Hoppy makes a tailgate torsion bar. If you search Froogle (now Google Products) for “tailgate torsion bar” you should find a number of places that have this product for less than $30. I got mine (with shipping) in 4 days for $24. We found it removed 70% of the tailgate weight! 70% !!!

I picked up mine at: http://autoaccessconnect.stores.yahoo.net/taasforpitr.html

First some warnings:

You are doing this at your own risk – it involves drilling a couple holes, if you are scared of this, go away now.
If you remove your tailgate often – this will complicate that process, so think about that.
There is a little prying and just a little metal bending involved in this – it’s at the hole you drill above the driver’s side tailgate hinge.

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So what do you need to do?

Once you get the product, remove and throw away the instructions and drill template. Avalanche/EXT details are not listed on the template – details are below.

1. We cut about ¾ of an inch off the torsion bar with the “A label” or with the yellow paint. - will explain later. Maybe it was not needed - maybe move the drill point up to 5" from hinge and don't cut anything. I have only installed two of these.

2. Drill a 3/8” hole 4.25” above the driver’s side tailgate hinge. (Take care you don't scuff the side of the truck with your drill chuck depending on drill bit length) You will drill through the metal and the drill bit will hit another steel wall about ¼” inside your nice new hole. This is a little bit of an issue and the reason we cut the ¾” off the torsion bar.

3. Measure over 32 ½” from the outside of the hinge cup on the tailgate and make a mark – you will drill into the bottom of the tailgate in line with the existing rivets of the tailgate.

4. Remove tailgate, transfer measurement and drill or re-measure and drill 3/8” hole in bottom of tailgate. It’s fiberglass, so don’t brush it away with your hand unless you want to itch for the next 24 hours.

5. Insert the torsion bar back into the side of the truck and make sure it’s sitting flat against the truck bed wall behind the hinge pin. You will need to insert the bar, push, pull, pry and try to wiggle the torsion bar into the hole between those two walls. This WILL result in you bending the metal a little above the hole to get a little more room between the two metal walls. I was trying to push on that inside wall to get it to bow in more and bend the outside metal less, but I don’t think it would be possible to insert the whole like 2” of the bar in – cutting off ¾” to 1” off the bar appeared to do the trick and we got about 3/4" into the hole.

6. Re-install tailgate, but this time you will insert side B of the torsion bar into the tailgate hole you just made. I found a hammer to tap the bar into the hole was required due to the friction from the side of the hole on the torsion bar. (NOT a one person job)

7. Don’t forget to latch your tailgate cables back onto the stops. You should now be done.

Give it a try. Your face may look like this when you close the tailgate the first or second or third time:

I forgot to check my tailgate weight before I changed mine, but we checked the second time and found the "weight" required to lift the tailgate using a bathroom scale went from 28 lbs to 8 lbs. Next time you are at the gym - go do a couple curls with a 30 lbs weight and then go do a couple with the 10 lb weight. You will be out shopping for this product before the sun sets. Your wife will love you for it.

DougD · « **Reply #1 on:** 05/11/07 08:15 AM »

How will that interfere with the removal of the tailgate (easily)?

_gadget_ · « **Reply #2 on:** 05/11/07 08:22 AM »

Quote from: DougD on 05/11/07 08:15 AM

How will that interfere with the removal of the tailgate (easily)?

Because you will have to remove the 5" long bar from the center of the tailgate after the gate is off the hinges. Not hard, but not a one person job unless you have really long really strong arms and can hold the gate with one hand and wiggle the bar out with the other.

I so seldom remove my gate it's no big deal - and with the wires for the lock and camera, the gate removal is kind of complex anyway this was a simple decision for me.

Bad Dad · « **Reply #3 on:** 05/11/07 08:29 AM »

Gadget,

Great write-up and post...

I was looking into the "EZ Down" by DEEZEE, but they also don't have an application for the Avalanche. It's a little shock type thingy (dampener) that allows the tailgate to lower itself.
Don't these company's know that the Avalanche is the most modded truck in the country?

Bad Dad

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #4 on:** 05/11/07 08:31 AM »

Good post, I was looking into this:

http://www.aztrucks.com/category.asp?product=594

But they do not make a kit for the Avalanche. I called the company and they have no plans at this time to make it......BUMMER! It cost more that what you did but one advantage is you cannot drop your tailgate down hard! Mine has fallen open twice.........to me it does not make sense that they make it for a regular pickup and not the Avalanche, the last time I closed a regular truck tailgate it was no where near as heavy as the Avalanche tailgate!!

avalanchuck · « **Reply #5 on:** 05/11/07 08:52 AM »

Way to go Ivan... can't wait to see it in person sometime!

gn85 · « **Reply #6 on:** 05/11/07 11:07 AM »

GREAT WRITE-UP. This will be one of the first mods when I get my Av. Love it!

Uesque · « **Reply #7 on:** 05/11/07 11:30 AM »

Great write-up and pictures, thanks. I am a little surprised that folks think the tailgate is heavy, I've had a couple of full size pickups, and this is much lighter, it's closer to my Dad's S-10 in heft. The outer skin is plastic, and not sure about the inner, but it is a little narrower tailgate than a full size truck also. I was actually thinking that its lightness may be why nobody makes anything specifically for it.

PUNISHER · « **Reply #8 on:** 05/11/07 06:52 PM »

the new Toyota has a cool little gizmo that prevents the tailgate from slamming down after you unlock it. once i pulled on the handle i let it go, but it will not slam down. it also seemed to assist in lift too. that, or the tailgate was so lite it just seemed like it was.

socalAVY · « **Reply #9 on:** 05/11/07 07:38 PM »

Everyone interested should go to the EZ down website http://www.ezdown.com/ and type in the Chevy Avalanche for future consideration. The CAFCNA website should have enough weight to influence them.

Bad Dad · « **Reply #10 on:** 05/12/07 10:44 AM »

socalAVY,

I went to their website and placed my vote!

Snoball · « **Reply #11 on:** 05/13/07 05:47 AM »

Really great write up. Good pics and it seems to do the job. Like others I think the EZ Down is the final answer. I too had voted to add this to the Dee Zee line, but it does not seem to do anything. I finally found their toll free number....if EVERYONE would call them direct and say that they would buy one if they made it for the Avalanche it would help. The guy told me the new catalog comes out in October and it may have new applications. I think they need a ton of phone calls to wake them up....Call them tomorrow!
Please feel free to contact us directly!

Dee Zee, Inc.
P.O. Box 3090
Des Moines, IA 50316

1-800-779-8222 (customer service)

moosc · « **Reply #12 on:** 05/13/07 05:54 AM »

Very nice write thank i should do this thanks

danlwil · « **Reply #13 on:** 05/13/07 03:04 PM »

Great mod....

thanks for the tip

that's a must have item for any pre 07 AV owner!!!

WILDFIRE · « **Reply #14 on:** 05/13/07 03:16 PM »

very nice mod

CA-AV · « **Reply #15 on:** 05/14/07 12:14 PM »

I was watching some truck show this weekend (I don't remember which) and I saw an advertisement for this tailgate damper called EZ Down. It looked very functional and when I visited the web site the price was reasonable. The bad side is that it is not available for the Avalanche (yet). I think if we have enough interest and fill out the form on the bottom of their web page they may expedite production for the Avalanche.

Take a look...

http://www.ezdown.com/

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #16 on:** 05/14/07 12:27 PM »

I would think the one that fit silverado's would fit AV's I saw them also and it said all gm truck 1999 thru present. It's made by DeeZee and I think it's a universal fit best prce I found was on amazon.com $49.00

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #17 on:** 05/14/07 12:33 PM »

Quote from: MichiganSilver03 on 05/14/07 12:27 PM

I would think the one that fit silverado's would fit AV's I saw them also and it said all gm truck 1999 thru present. It's made by DeeZee and I think it's a universal fit best prce I found was on amazon.com $49.00

I emailed them twice. They said it will not fit and they have no plans to make one for the Avalanche at this time. It is a shame, the Avalanche tailgate is So much heavier than the Silverado! I had thought about buying one and trying it myself but am not ready to take on more projects at this time.........why don;t you do it and let us know?

I am thinking with the extra weight it may require two cylinders instead of the one that is in the Silverado kit.

Butch

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #18 on:** 05/14/07 12:38 PM »

I may just do that I did not know AV tailgates were heavier, I know they are heavy but other than narrower what the Difference

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #19 on:** 05/14/07 12:42 PM »

Quote from: socalAVY on 05/11/07 07:38 PM

Everyone interested should go to the EZ down website http://www.ezdown.com/ and type in the Chevy Avalanche for future consideration. The CAFCNA website should have enough weight to influence them.

Quote from: Snoball on 05/13/07 05:47 AM

Really great write up. Good pics and it seems to do the job. Like others I think the EZ Down is the final answer. I too had voted to add this to the Dee Zee line, but it does not seem to do anything. I finally found their toll free number....if EVERYONE would call them direct and say that they would buy one if they made it for the Avalanche it would help. The guy told me the new catalog comes out in October and it may have new applications. I think they need a ton of phone calls to wake them up....Call them tomorrow!
Please feel free to contact us directly!

Dee Zee, Inc.
P.O. Box 3090
Des Moines, IA 50316

1-800-779-8222 (customer service)

GO VOTE, Call them, we have enough clout that we can get this done!

Bad Dad · « **Reply #20 on:** 05/14/07 01:01 PM »

On the standard pick-up there is a hole already there
(that's not there on an Avalanche) to be used as a mounting point for the "EZDown"... I bet if a guy were to duplicate that hole on the Avalanche tailgate, that it would work. Maybe we have a member that knows the tailgate, and how they're built, to let us know if it is possible to drill the hole needed to mount it.

Torsion bar + EZDown = sweet

Gadget... you up for the challenge?

Bad Dad

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #21 on:** 05/14/07 01:12 PM »

I'm changing tailgates in about a month, I'll let you know

DougD · « **Reply #22 on:** 05/14/07 02:43 PM »

Quote from: CA-AV on 05/14/07 01:34 PM

I created a new topic for the tailgate damper. I wonder which moderator moved my comments to this topic? My topic has to deal with the damper, which slowly lowers the tailgate, which has some similarities to the torsion bar but it's not the same. Can a moderator please move my comments and those responding to my comments back to the topic I created.

EZ-Down was already discussed in this thread, hence it being merged to maintain continuity of discussion.

Bad Dad · « **Reply #23 on:** 05/14/07 02:46 PM »

It's all good...

after all... we're talking tailgates here!

Bad Dad

socalAVY · « **Reply #24 on:** 05/14/07 08:54 PM »

In case you missed earlier replies...

Contact EZ Down/DeeZee Inc. and either fill out the webform for future consideration of the 02-06 Avalanche, or call or write them a letter expressing interest if they produce it for our application.

Website: http://www.ezdown.com/

Dee Zee, Inc.
P.O. Box 3090
Des Moines, IA 50316

1-800-779-8222 (customer service)

CA-AV · « **Reply #25 on:** 05/15/07 06:10 AM »

Quote from: DougD on 05/14/07 02:43 PM

EZ-Down was already discussed in this thread, hence it being merged to maintain continuity of discussion.

No problem. I did a search for EZ Down before I posted and I did not notice any matches. I must have missed it.

_gadget_ · « **Reply #26 on:** 05/15/07 07:30 AM »

Quote from: Bad Dad on 05/14/07 01:01 PM

... Maybe we have a member that knows the tailgate, and how they're built, to let us know if it is possible to drill the hole needed to mount it.

Torsion bar + EZDown = sweet

Gadget... you up for the challenge?

Dang it - would you people stop putting these ideas into my head!

I have all that stuff sitting at home and could give it a shot (you know there is a 99% chance I will get it working)

Have some spare gas cylns from some other projects (my hot tub cover lift assist project appears to have about the same size devices) and I have a ton of pictures of my tailgate insides (design changed in '05) I have the tailgate modeled in Pro/E (from the DropTail plan which I decided not to do myself) and could do a little measurement to verify what kind of throws and forces I would need with and without the torsion bar.

Then again, I need to install a swamp cooler in our new old house before it gets too hot. My wife would like this EZ-Down, but would prefer a cool house first. - However, I might be myself out to the garage and give it a try if I have some extra time.

Bad Dad · « **Reply #27 on:** 05/15/07 01:20 PM »

Quote from: _gadget_ on 05/15/07 07:30 AM

Dang it - would you people stop putting these ideas into my head! I have all that stuff sitting at home and could give it a shot (you know there is a 99% chance I will get it working)

gadget...

Wow, you have pictures of the tailgate insides... with that information you'd know if there was anything stopping us from just drilling a mounting hole that would be strong enough to support the mount. I figure EZDown just doesn't want it too complicated for the
"do-it-yourself-er" -- little do they know we have a "ringer" on our side (_gadget_).

Well... let us know what you find out!

Bad Dad

Bad Dad · « **Reply #28 on:** 05/16/07 01:05 PM »

I just ordered my EasyLift... ships at the end of the week. One tailgate mod at a time -- keep us posted _gadget_ !

Mr_Scary · « **Reply #29 on:** 05/18/07 12:33 PM »

OK with three kids, I'm definetly up for this mod. My only question is; is the tortion bar shaped sort of like a U? Then when you open the tail gate the torsion bar gets twisted, hence the release of pressure returning the tail gate to the up position???

Thanx,

Mr. $cary

ps-thanx for the write up and the pics gadget.
pss-who online did you order from?

G

SpottyJ · « **Reply #30 on:** 05/30/07 04:27 PM »

_Gadget_ hows is the tailgate assist holding up?

Any suggestions for improvement now that you have had it in use for a while?

Anyone else do this mod yet?

dps · « **Reply #31 on:** 05/31/07 12:59 PM »

We just returned from a 2500 mile road trip through the Southwest. It included packing and un-packing almost every day, and the MUCH lighter and easier tailgate was great! This really should have been my first mod; it was very inexpensive, and with Gadget's paving the way, only took 15 minutes or so.

Combined with my new bedslide written up elsewhere it made for an easy system.

_gadget_ · « **Reply #32 on:** 05/31/07 01:35 PM »

Quote from: Mr_Scary on 05/18/07 12:33 PM

is the tortion bar shaped sort of like a U? Then when you open the tail gate the torsion bar gets twisted, hence the release of pressure returning the tail gate to the up position???

pss-who online did you order from?

Yes - it's shaped just like a U. The section which goes into the tailgate would stick straight up normally - as you open the tailgate it's twisting this and thus trying to flip the tailgate closed and assist in closing the gate.

So far all is good. Showed this to a cousin that owns a 2500 AV. Just asked him to close my tailgate and he noticed the difference without saying a word.

I ordered my from http://autoaccessconnect.stores.yahoo.net/taasforpitr.html but many other sites are out there. I also noticed camping world says they carry these. We have some of those local here, but not gone in to ask.

GreatWhite496 · « **Reply #33 on:** 05/31/07 03:07 PM »

I love it...and it is a cheap mod...this MOD goes on my "to do" list!

kavesman1 · « **Reply #34 on:** 05/31/07 03:32 PM »

this is diffently on my buy/to do list.gotta help my grandmother when she has it when im on the road.

got a question though.is the EZ lift rod made out of spring steel? if so,i might be able to come up with a design that might make it EZer to take off the talegate,if needed.

Blu · « **Reply #35 on:** 06/03/07 07:14 AM »

Quote from: MichiganSilver03 on 05/14/07 01:12 PM

I'm changing tailgates in about a month, I'll let you know

Are going with a much lighter Tailgate or just different design?

Simple, inexpensive mod. Thanks

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #36 on:** 06/03/07 07:31 AM »

Actually I traded some parts for a tailgate with another member and I bought a escalade tailgate skin off eBay for 25.00 lucked out on the color Cadillac call pewter goldmist it matched.

Actually I bought the EZdown waiting for it to arrive, I can see why it won't work on a avy.
My motto for MOD's is MAKE IT WORK

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #37 on:** 06/05/07 06:56 PM »

OK I put on a EZDown in this evening

Opportunity or problems as some folk call them

Not enough clearance between the cladding on the bottom side I used a roto zip and cut a slot in it see picture.

It works slows the opening down allot closing it did not help at all still heavy.

moosc · « **Reply #38 on:** 06/06/07 06:12 AM »

Quote from: MichiganSilver03 on 06/05/07 06:56 PM

OK I put on a EZDown in this evening

Opportunity or problems as some folk call them

Not enough clearance between the cladding on the bottom side I used a roto zip and cut a slot in it see picture.

It works slows the opening down allot closing it did not help at all still heavy.

did you add the spring also? or just the shock? did u email ezlift and showed them it can work nice mod

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #39 on:** 06/06/07 07:56 AM »

There is a spring inside the shock, and you have to pull it open then about have way down it opens by itself. I don't think EZDOWN is going to tell car owners to cut a slot in there cladding, that's probably why they are saying it won't work, except for people like us who make it work .

WILDFIRE · « **Reply #40 on:** 06/07/07 02:17 AM »

nice job MS3

_gadget_ · « **Reply #41 on:** 06/07/07 10:38 AM »

It looks like there is a bracket added at the hinge pin of the tailgate the EZ down attaches to. Did this come with the kit or did you make that?

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #42 on:** 06/07/07 11:11 AM »

You are right one bolt that goes into the tailgate is removed and the bracket is attached using that bolt. The bracket is offset from the tailgate and the nut rubs against the cladding on the bumper. I just opened and closed the tailgate a couple of times so it would make a impression on the cladding so I knew where to trim the cladding. I will go back this weekend and glue a backing on where I trimmed the cladding.

Blu · « **Reply #43 on:** 06/08/07 04:28 AM »

Quote from: _gadget_ on 06/07/07 10:38 AM

It looks like there is a bracket added at the hinge pin of the tailgate the EZ down attaches to. Did this come with the kit or did you make that?

Just viewed your garage, Nice mods, added to my list of things to do.
Got to tell me the trick to getting up on that wake board?

mrodenki · « **Reply #44 on:** 06/08/07 07:34 AM »

IMHO, I think the torsion bar assist is on the right track to solving the heavy tailgate issue. I would rather counterbalance the load, not merely control the dropping speed.

The EZDown appears to be an extension damper such as these http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=1145 and will only keep the gate from slamming down. I doubt it assists in lifting it back up. I'm not knocking the EZDown, it probably solves the safely issue.

So for me, I'm going to pursue a full counterbalance system such as a torsion bar shown here, or a smaller version of the counterbalance rewind system like what you see on rear ramp doors of enclosed trailers. They also make reverse gas springs (ones that are spring-loaded to retract rather than extend) that could mount similar to the EZDown system.

Snoball · « **Reply #45 on:** 06/08/07 07:55 AM »

MS3- great job in jumping into it and installing it. Did you purchase the 99-06 Silverado model of EZdown? And just installed it per the insructions, right? That seems too easy. Does the attachment point where the bolt is removed and the new bracket is installed seem up to the task? If so, I have got to order one tomorrow!

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #46 on:** 06/08/07 08:16 AM »

It does not help at all lifting it back up it actually makes it a little harder to lift. I had to try it some times I need to get into the rear of the AVY when it is in the gargage where I can't open it all the way and it helps there.

Yes it is the Silverado model.

Snoball · « **Reply #47 on:** 06/26/07 07:03 AM »

I ordered my EZ Down off eBay...got it for $55 including shipping. Here are some photos. Here is the entire package with instructions for a Silverado.

Snoball · « **Reply #48 on:** 06/26/07 07:05 AM »

Here is the bracket as it comes for the Silverado. It attaches to the tailgate with one bolt. The bend is for the stock steel Silverado tailgate. With this bend it WILL hit the sheet metal on WBHs and the cladding on others AVs. Take this stock bracket to your vise and get a big sledge hammer to straighten it out. Then make a slight bend in the other direction so it more closely follows the AV tailgate.

Snoball · « **Reply #49 on:** 06/26/07 07:08 AM »

Here is the EZ down installed on a WBH with the bracket bent toward the tailgate to match the shape of the AV instead of the Silverado. My son had his Silverado over here with his EZ Down installed so we could compare the differences. The set up works great but time will tell if the plastic tailgate can stand the stress of this bracket and shock absorber. I am keeping the stock bolt for the tailgate strap so I can change back if I have to...but I am happy today!

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #50 on:** 06/26/07 07:23 AM »

Nice tip about bending the bracket, does it rub at all.

dps · « **Reply #51 on:** 06/26/07 08:40 AM »

Wow, talk about a hijacked thread...

I don't have anything to sell nor any ax to grind, but to future readers of this thread, I would strongly recommend doing the torsion spring mod before even considering an ez down type of thing. The torsion spring works both ways- letting you bring your tailgate down AND UP with just a couple of fingers.

It's cheaper, too

SupaDave · « **Reply #52 on:** 06/27/07 02:55 PM »

Very cool.

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #53 on:** 06/27/07 04:39 PM »

Quote from: dps on 06/26/07 08:40 AM

Wow, talk about a hijacked thread...

I don't have anything to sell nor any ax to grind, but to future readers of this thread, I would strongly recommend doing the torsion spring mod before even considering an ez down type of thing. The torsion spring works both ways- letting you bring your tailgate down AND UP with just a couple of fingers.

It's cheaper, too

Thanks for the tip on how to post DPS, But this post was merge with another post about the ez down, because they both are about Tailgate Assist and was not JACKED. If you look at the first page you will see the 2 different topics in the title.

But I do agree with you about the torsion spring if you don't mind drilling holes in your AVY

Bad Dad · « **Reply #54 on:** 07/06/07 09:05 AM »

Quote from: Bad Dad on 05/16/07 01:05 PM

I just ordered my EasyLift... ships at the end of the week. One tailgate mod at a time -- keep us posted _gadget_ !

I ordered this on 5/16/07, and it just got here yesterday (7/5) -- I forgot I ordered it!
I've got family up visiting and won't have time for a project till they leave, but will keep you posted!

Thanks MS03 & Snoball for the write-up/info in the Easylift -- looks like I'm gonna be the first to try the "combo"?

Bad Dad

ps those going to the National GTG "Have fun" and take pictures!

SpottyJ · « **Reply #55 on:** 08/05/07 05:47 AM »

Any updates on the torsion bar lift assist?

Any problems?

Still recommend?

_gadget_ · « **Reply #56 on:** 08/06/07 01:01 PM »

Quote from: SpottyJ on 08/05/07 05:47 AM

Any updates on the torsion bar lift assist?

Any problems?

Still recommend?

I love it more each day. No problems and I would and have recommended this to many people around here. I find reasons to make other people (people with pickups) close my tailgate for me just so they can go

what the *!@!%? Your tailgate weighs nothing - come over and try to close the gate on my F250...

Oh, wait - there is one problem - my wife now prefers to take the truck to go shopping rather than her car now that she can load up items with the lighter tailgate and the bedslide.

'Eh, I don't mind getting stuck with the Accord once in a while.

SpottyJ · « **Reply #57 on:** 08/06/07 05:33 PM »

Quote from: _gadget_ on 08/06/07 01:01 PM

I love it more each day. No problems and I would and have recommended this to many people around here. I find reasons to make other people (people with pickups) close my tailgate for me just so they can go what the *!@!%? Your tailgate weighs nothing - come over and try to close the gate on my F250...

Oh, wait - there is one problem - my wife now prefers to take the truck to go shopping rather than her car now that she can load up items with the lighter tailgate and the bedslide. 'Eh, I don't mind getting stuck with the Accord once in a while.

_gadget_

Thanks for the feedback, I guess I am ordering mine now. I like the torsion version better than the easy-down as it adds in the lifting. Great idea and appreciate you sharing it with us all.

Found the part for $19.90 here:

http://autoaccessconnect.stores.yahoo.net/taasforpitr.html

dps · « **Reply #58 on:** 08/18/07 11:13 AM »

...just sold another guy on the idea who is a GMC owner. That makes three with two Fords earlier. Should look into becoming a distributor

As much as the General could use some cash (and Ford, too, I guess) they could be selling these things for $100 as an option whilst pocketing about $98 profit.

Really the nicest of the mods when considering the convenience of use, cost of mod, and time to install mod, in my opinion.

BLWN AVY · « **Reply #59 on:** 08/18/07 06:56 PM »

Anyone know about the 07 escalade ext?? Their tailgate has some sort of lifter helper inside the gate itself. My brother has one but will ot let me take it apart to look at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RIKrotorhead · « **Reply #60 on:** 08/18/07 07:25 PM »

Quote from: BLWN AVY on 08/18/07 06:56 PM

Anyone know about the 07 escalade ext?? Their tailgate has some sort of lifter helper inside the gate itself. My brother has one but will ot let me take it apart to look at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He won't let you take his tailgat apart on his new EXT?
What kind of brother is that?
You should just do it while he's sleeping.

Make sure you take pics! (from the hospital.... of the hot nurses)

RIKrotorhead · « **Reply #61 on:** 08/18/07 07:27 PM »

Great write-up gadget, and great idea.
I worry about one of my kids trying to open the tailgate and that thing coming down hard on their head.

Great mod for my list! Thanks.

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #62 on:** 08/18/07 08:02 PM »

So do we have a new site sponsor here

caliavy · « **Reply #63 on:** 08/19/07 11:31 AM »

Hi there, I just wanted to comment on the Easylift (correction) spring install. YOU ONLY HAVE TO DRILL ONE HOLE above the tailgate hinge- ands NOT through the second wall behind it

and protect the taillight enclosure-

by using a long drill bit or protective covering!!!Live and learn I guess

Also use the hammer for inserting the other end into the tailgate- Otherwise not too eventful and a worthy mod.

Dennis

SpottyJ · « **Reply #64 on:** 08/19/07 01:24 PM »

Quote from: caliavy on 08/19/07 11:31 AM

Hi there, I just wanted to comment on the Easydown spring install. YOU ONLY HAVE TO DRILL ONE HOLE above the tailgate hinge- ands NOT through the second wall behind it and protect the taillight enclosure- by using a long drill bit or protective covering!!!Live and learn I guess Also use the hammer for inserting the other end into the tailgate- Otherwise not too eventful and a worthy mod.

Dennis

Just to confirm - are you reffering to the "Torsion Bar" or the "Easy Down" installation?

SpottyJ · « **Reply #65 on:** 08/19/07 07:52 PM »

I just completed the "Torsion Bar" install:

1 ) Sorry no pics

2 ) Yes, I agree with "_gadget_" that you need to cut off approx 3/4 of inch from "A" side of bar.

3 ) You do not need to drill through the second wall. I did drill through both, but then I realized the "A" side of the torsion bar must lay vertical and if were to pass through second wall you could not get it to vertical. So I have the bar in between the two walls.

4 ) I would recommend treating the drilled hole with some kind of paint to prevent corrosion.

5 ) I have a cladded avalanche, and scraped my cladding on the passenger side hinge area as I took the tailgate on/off so many times trying to get the torsion bar to stick into the tailgate. I recommend you protect this area in advance. I was trying to be careful and still scratched in may places.

6 ) This is not difficult, but is a two person job once you go to install the torsion bar. You can drill the holes, trim the a-side of the bar, then you just need someone to help you wield the tailgate around.

7 ) I could not install side A then B. When side "A" was in, the angle/tension to get side "B" into tailgate was too great. I ended up inserting side "B" into the end of tailgate, and then inserting side "A". Side "A" hole was already prestreched/bent to allow the torsion to lay vertical.

8 ) Yes, as "_gadget_" states, you have to bend/wiggle side "A" initially to get it to fit between the two walls.

9 ) I would recommend drilling the hole above the hinge a little to the outside versus inside. The inside edge is a spot welded seam and I ended up in that area, and I believe is an area that now exposed would be more prone to corrosion. If you move the L/R centering of the hole to the outside (or left of center) you will clear the seam area.

10 ) I would recommend cleaning and re-greasing the hinge cups prior to install, as once you have the torsion bar in place you are less likely to remove the tailgate so often.

11 ) If you only drill through the first panel, I think this is a very minimally invasive mod. The hole at the tailgate is into composite and no fear of corrosion there.

12 ) I have the "Rod Mod" Remote tailgate kit, and I am not sure if the torsion bar is going to interfere with the internal actuator, time will tell, but the bar does enter the same cavity area as where the actuator is located. (If you do not have a "Rod Mod" Remote tailgate actuator, or you do not know what the Rod Mod is, then don't worry, it will not apply to you).

13 ) Once installed, you can barely even see, and no one will notice the torsion bar.

14 ) Man does the bar make a difference in the effort to lower and raise the tailgate. This was a great and cheap mod. I highly recommend this mod. Those on the fence - just do it! Thanks "_gadget_"!

caliavy · « **Reply #66 on:** 08/19/07 11:18 PM »

Quote from: SpottyJ on 08/19/07 01:24 PM

Just to confirm - are you reffering to the "Torsion Bar" or the "Easy Down" installation?

Correction:
Torsion Bar- Easylift

My apologies for the mixup.

_gadget_ · « **Reply #67 on:** 08/21/07 11:59 AM »

Quote from: caliavy on 08/19/07 11:31 AM

Hi there, I just wanted to comment on the Easylift (correction) spring install. YOU ONLY HAVE TO DRILL ONE HOLE above the tailgate hinge- and NOT through the second wall behind it and protect the taillight enclosure- by using a long drill bit or protective covering!!!Live and learn I guess Also use the hammer for inserting the other end into the tailgate- Otherwise not too eventful and a worthy mod.

Thanks for the feedback SpottyJ and caliavy

Maybe I should go back and put some bold around my first post on those few items.

And I should mention not to drill through once you do HIT the other wall of the truck side. I guess I don't mention you don't need to drill it - just say the bar will jam between these metal walls. So if you don't visualize that, just stop drilling once you get through that first wall.

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Drill a 3/8” hole above the driver’s side tailgate hinge. (Take care you don't scuff the side of the truck with your drill chuck depending on drill bit length) You will drill through the metal and the drill bit will hit another steel wall about ¼” inside your nice new hole. This is a little bit of an issue and the reason we cut the ¾” off the torsion bar.

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I found a hammer to tap the bar into the hole was required due to the friction from the side of the hole on the torsion bar.

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12 ) I have the "Rod Mod" Remote tailgate kit, and I am not sure if the torsion bar is going to interfere with the internal actuator, time will tell, but the bar does enter the same cavity area as where the actuator is located. (If you do not have a "Rod Mod" Remote tailgate actuator, or you do not know what the Rod Mod is, then don't worry, it will not apply to you).

No, I believe the torsion bar should be located inside the center section of the tailgate just to the left of where my lock actuator is. I took measurements before I did this mod to ensure the torsion bar would not hit the actuator in my tailgate (shown in picture below)

moosc · « **Reply #68 on:** 08/21/07 07:03 PM »

Quote from: dps on 08/18/07 11:13 AM

...just sold another guy on the idea who is a GMC owner. That makes three with two Fords earlier. Should look into becoming a distributor

As much as the General could use some cash (and Ford, too, I guess) they could be selling these things for $100 as an option whilst pocketing about $98 profit.

Really the nicest of the mods when considering the convenience of use, cost of mod, and time to install mod, in my opinion.

the new silverados has an ez lift spring option like the new Avs only thing its like 95.00 extra :E:so lets see by an Av get the ez lift spring included by a silverado have to request it

moosc · « **Reply #69 on:** 08/21/07 07:06 PM »

Quote from: BLWN AVY on 08/18/07 06:56 PM

Anyone know about the 07 escalade ext?? Their tailgate has some sort of lifter helper inside the gate itself. My brother has one but will ot let me take it apart to look at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its same as the 07 newer Avs

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #70 on:** 09/24/07 05:41 PM »

I want

Ordered it just a few minutes ago

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #71 on:** 09/28/07 01:41 AM »

Received mine yesterday!

Hope to install tonight.

Didit · « **Reply #72 on:** 09/28/07 03:27 PM »

When you install the torsion bar, might I suggest that when you drill the hole in the tailgate, wobble the drill bit around a bit on the second hole, maybe even drilling a second hole to the right of it, on the second hole only inside the tailgate, right being toward the passenger side of the vehicle, I've put two of these on, and it seemed to help in getting it in there somewhat.

Didit

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #73 on:** 09/28/07 07:51 PM »

OMG!

All I can say is Do It!

Read the instructions and JUST DO IT!

I have an '04 and there was a second horizontal stiffener I had to drill through for the "B" end of the torsion bar to fit in all the way.

I will bet that it reduced the tailgate weight by 90-95%! It doesn't even streatch out the safety cables when open! The wife can close it with her PINKY FINGER!!

Best mod I've done.

JUST DO IT!

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #74 on:** 09/28/07 07:55 PM »

Quote from: Sirshopolot on 09/28/07 07:51 PM

OMG!

All I can say is Do It!

Read the instructions and JUST DO IT!

I have an '04 and there was a second horizontal stiffener I had to drill through for the "B" end of the torsion bar to fit in all the way.

I will bet that it reduced the tailgate weight by 90-95%! It doesn't even streatch out the safety cables when open! The wife can close it with her PINKY FINGER!!

Best mod I've done.

JUST DO IT!

Somehow I knew you would love this mod!

Butch

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #75 on:** 09/28/07 07:57 PM »

Gotta see this saturday

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #76 on:** 09/28/07 07:59 PM »

Quote from: Z66 BUTCH on 09/28/07 07:55 PM

Somehow I knew you would love this mod!

Butch

Oh Yeah, I

it!!

BTW Thanks for the show and tell Butch and Didit!

Props to _gadget_ for this thread on the Tailgate torsion bar lift assist

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #77 on:** 09/28/07 08:01 PM »

Quote from: MichiganSilver03 on 09/28/07 07:57 PM

Gotta see this saturday

I will be happy to Show & Tell

Did I say? I

it!

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #78 on:** 09/28/07 08:20 PM »

I have flames, teak, a lowering kit, custom rims and THIS IS MY FAVORITE MOD! I just smile every time I open or close that tailgate now, and with the LED's and that tip switch I quit worrying about if I forgot to shut the tailgate as I drive away!

Butch

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #79 on:** 10/03/07 04:54 PM »

Quote from: Didit on 09/28/07 03:27 PM

When you install the torsion bar, might I suggest that when you drill the hole in the tailgate, wobble the drill bit around a bit on the second hole, maybe even drilling a second hole to the right of it, on the second hole only inside the tailgate, right being toward the passenger side of the vehicle, I've put two of these on, and it seemed to help in getting it in there somewhat.

Didit

?!?!?!? huh ?!?!?!

Lemme ask a question. The tailgate isn't steel. So is the hole in the bottom of the tailgate liable to get deformed or broken out or otherwise torn up by the tension on the bar when the gate is open? I don't know what kind of material the tailgate is made of, so I have to wonder about what's gonna happen to that hole in time.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #80 on:** 10/03/07 05:21 PM »

No

Its pretty thick, has a doubler riveted to the bottom.

The end of mine extended up through another stiffener inside the tailgate which will hold it from moving around.

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #81 on:** 10/03/07 05:58 PM »

got mine on order.

moosc · « **Reply #82 on:** 10/03/07 06:38 PM »

look what i found pricey

http://www.gateassist.com/

Tango Chaser · « **Reply #83 on:** 10/03/07 06:42 PM »

Quote from: moosc on 10/03/07 06:38 PM

look what i found pricey

http://www.gateassist.com/

Saw those several months back. (someone posted them) Had the instructional video also. But were not available for the AV. "Alledgedly the silverado series wouldn't work"

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #84 on:** 10/03/07 08:10 PM »

buy it Moos...........all the money you saved on them free floormats you got, ukin afford it!!

heheheh

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #85 on:** 10/04/07 05:25 AM »

Quote from: Sarge E5, USMC on 10/03/07 04:54 PM

?!?!?!? huh ?!?!?!

Lemme ask a question. The tailgate isn't steel. So is the hole in the bottom of the tailgate liable to get deformed or broken out or otherwise torn up by the tension on the bar when the gate is open? I don't know what kind of material the tailgate is made of, so I have to wonder about what's gonna happen to that hole in time.

You drill through a area that has row of rivets. It it where two panels overlap and seems very strong.

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #86 on:** 10/04/07 05:27 AM »

That baby went in like BUTTAH! Thanks for the info. This is a great mod.

My experience was:

1.) Measurements provided were right on.
2.) Install the "A" end of the bar 1st, then while my partner had hold of the tailgate, and I was lying in the bed on my stomach, he lifted it up and I had to "spring" the bar towards him just a hair and he was able to drop the gate down on it. Then he raised the PS end of the gate to get the cup seated on the pin on the DS, and then set it down on the PS pin.

Good to go.

docmjherron · « **Reply #87 on:** 10/10/07 12:34 PM »

A couple of questions since I will be doing this mod as well.

1. Did you use the measurements from this thread or from the template?

2. If you did not use the template, at what part of the pivot point did you make your measurements for A and B.

Thanks for any help.

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #88 on:** 10/10/07 12:46 PM »

No template. _gadget_'s measurments are all you need. They were right on.

docmjherron · « **Reply #89 on:** 10/10/07 01:05 PM »

Thanks.

Semper Fi

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #90 on:** 10/10/07 01:14 PM »

OOooooRAhhhhh. Spent 3 yrs in NC. Spent most of my free time at the beach in Morehead City.

docmjherron · « **Reply #91 on:** 10/10/07 01:33 PM »

One last clarification. Did you measure "A" from the top of the pivot cup, and when _gadget_ talked about measuring "B" from the outside of the pivot cup did he mean close to the tail light or tail gate part? What did you do?

Again thanks for the help.

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #92 on:** 10/10/07 03:17 PM »

remove the tailgate and set it flat on a table. Measure 4 1/4" up from the hinge pin on the drivers side. Measure 32 1/2" from the outside edge of the hinge cup in.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #93 on:** 10/10/07 04:21 PM »

Quote from: docmjherron on 10/10/07 12:34 PM

A couple of questions since I will be doing this mod as well.

1. Did you use the measurements from this thread or from the template?

2. If you did not use the template, at what part of the pivot point did you make your measurements for A and B.

Thanks for any help.

Quote from: Sarge E5, USMC on 10/10/07 12:46 PM

No template. _gadget_'s measurments are all you need. They were right on.

I wished I had asked those questions before I drilled mine

Now I call it a lightening hole.........it lightens the truck for improved gas mileage

Tango Chaser · « **Reply #94 on:** 10/10/07 04:22 PM »

Quote from: Sirshopolot on 10/10/07 04:21 PM

I wished I had asked those questions before I drilled mine

Now I call it a lightening hole.........it lightens the truck for improved gas mileage

Just put a couple of those Radio Shack "Flush mount" LEDs in there!

docmjherron · « **Reply #95 on:** 10/10/07 04:30 PM »

Thanks again Sarge. Appreciate the help. I wanted to ask those questions along time ago. But it's hard for a guy to ask for

some times. But I didn't want to end up like this

. Sorry Sirshopolot I guess I should have asked sooner.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #96 on:** 10/14/07 12:40 PM »

Quote from: docmjherron on 10/10/07 04:30 PM

Thanks again Sarge. Appreciate the help. I wanted to ask those questions along time ago. But it's hard for a guy to ask for some times. But I didn't want to end up like this . Sorry Sirshopolot I guess I should have asked sooner.

NP

It worked, you can't see it, and I'll bet it's 95%+ let off. I can open the tailgate and get it to stand open about 6-8" on it's own.

Greatest mod ever! Just going to take some time to get used to so I quit trying to "slam" it shut!

docmjherron · « **Reply #97 on:** 10/15/07 06:12 PM »

Yeah! Even after asking the questions, mine isn't pretty either, but you can't tell. Have some cleaning up to do, but works great.

Dutch · « **Reply #98 on:** 10/16/07 12:22 PM »

Thanks, Gadget, great instructions. Just installed the torsion bar and what a difference in the felt weight of the tailgate. Once I got past the measuring, worrying, and remeasuring phase, it took longer to cut off the end of the bar (with a hacksaw) than to actually install it.

Hit the "A" end of the bar with file so the sharp edge of the cut wouldn't dig into the second steel wall. Also a little oil on the end helped it slide in with a little wiggling and a tap with the hammer.

Dab of paint on the edge of the drilled hole and the cut end of the bar.

With the driver side hinge supporting the weight and the gate almost closed, the "B" end of the torsion bar slipped right into the hole. Let the weight of the gate down and tilt to open slightly and it slipped right onto the passenger side hinge. Then with the gate completely closed to take the torsion off I pushed the "B" side up another inch or two into the tailgate.

RaleighBermudaBlu · « **Reply #99 on:** 10/19/07 08:26 AM »

Good writeup. I would like to see this in person.

Tom

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #100 on:** 10/19/07 02:07 PM »

Quote from: RaleighBermudaBlu on 10/19/07 08:26 AM

Good writeup. I would like to see this in person.

Tom

We are having a little GTG in JASPER INDIANA TOMORROW, Oct the 20th. Come on out Tom, there will be at least 2 Avalanche there with this mod!

Butch

Z66 BUTCH · « **Reply #101 on:** 10/19/07 02:12 PM »

Ohh, you will also get a chance to see THE TIP SWITCH MOD for the tailgate!

Butch

pamchuck · « **Reply #102 on:** 10/20/07 09:24 AM »

Well, I ordered the torsion bar earlier this week, received it yesterday, my son and I installed it earlier this morning and it is fantastic! The directions/suggestions from everyone made the job easy. Thanks to everyone!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #103 on:** 10/21/07 09:42 AM »

Quote from: pamchuck on 10/20/07 09:24 AM

Well, I ordered the torsion bar earlier this week, received it yesterday, my son and I installed it earlier this morning and it is fantastic! The directions/suggestions from everyone made the job easy. Thanks to everyone!

Congatulations pamchuck

Snoball · « **Reply #104 on:** 10/29/07 06:05 AM »

I have the EZ Down on, but I ordered the torsion bar and just got it. I like the fact that it lightens the weight...but I have a question. Does the torsion bar only assist with lifting the tailgate up to close it or does it lower the tailgate slowly? Now, I just lift the handle and open the tailgate a few inches and let go, it drops automatically very slowly. Great if your hands are full. How does the operation of the torsion bar work on opening the tailgate. Does the tailgate have to be held while it lowers. Could you use both devices if it doesn't? What are the thoughts?

Sarge E5, USMC · « **Reply #105 on:** 10/29/07 06:19 AM »

with the torsion bar installed, if you drop the tailgate, it drops. It'll bounce at the bottom under the spring tension, but it will drop. Without the torsion bar, the thing obviously SLAMS down.

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #106 on:** 10/29/07 06:46 AM »

Good question Snoball, I don't think anyone has tried both devices my guess is with both there may not be enough weigh for it to drop by itself. Sarge is right with the torsion bar it you left go it drops pretty fast.

moosc · « **Reply #107 on:** 10/29/07 05:58 PM »

this mod is so awsome ive got to order it saw and used it at STI very nice

Snoball · « **Reply #108 on:** 10/30/07 03:38 PM »

OK, I got it installed. I have to say that if you have a torsion bar or an EZ Down and NOT BOTH, you are missing out. I have had the EZ down for awhile and love it. But all the great posts and instructions about the torsion bar made me want it too.
I removed the EZ down and the tailgate and installed the torsion bar per Gadgets instructions...all went well but I needed to really hammer the end into the tailgate. It was tough. Then I re-installed the EZ down. You will not believe what a difference it makes to have it go down on its own with the EZ down and then lift it like a feather with the torsion bar.
If you have done one or the other, you will have to install both. You get the benefits of both units and no drawbacks. This is so cool.

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #109 on:** 10/30/07 03:41 PM »

Good job Snoball

So it will drop down by itself.

Snoball · « **Reply #110 on:** 10/31/07 05:26 AM »

Just open the handle and pull open a few inches and we let it fall slowly on its own. Too good to be true!

TLwiz · « **Reply #111 on:** 10/31/07 06:28 AM »

Where can I get the EZdown for a good price? I also want to get the torsion bar, so is there a good place & price for that too? Thanks!

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #112 on:** 10/31/07 07:21 AM »

Probably online I looked around locally and could not find them, I ended up getting my EZDown off ebay.

Snoball · « **Reply #113 on:** 10/31/07 04:24 PM »

The company website is www.ezdown.com, Chevy Silverado for years 1999 to 2007 part # 4432XJ; retail for $69.99.
Order it off eBay; they have several for $55.00 with free shipping. Do not forget to look at the photos so you bend the bracket so it does not rub on the metal. The EZ Downs are not made for the Avalanche, so you need to modify it slightly.

Wild Eyed Dream · « **Reply #114 on:** 11/04/07 02:27 AM »

Will EZ Lift by Hoppy and EZ down work together?
I haven't heard anyone say anything about EZ lift by Hoppy.
I was planning on EZ lift this week but if there's something I should know please let me know.

Snoball · « **Reply #115 on:** 11/05/07 05:46 AM »

The EZ down is by Hoppy.

HiYoSilver · « **Reply #116 on:** 11/08/07 12:36 PM »

Thanks everyone (especially _gadget_) for the hints, trips and tricks to this mod. Ordered mine Monday, got it Wednesday and installed it today.

Sirshopolot had shown me this at the Renaissance GTG and it was my son that insisted I get this. You just have to love a boy that wants to mod with you.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #117 on:** 11/10/07 05:37 AM »

Quote from: Snoball on 10/30/07 03:38 PM

OK, I got it installed. I have to say that if you have a torsion bar or an EZ Down and NOT BOTH, you are missing out. I have had the EZ down for awhile and love it. But all the great posts and instructions about the torsion bar made me want it too.
I removed the EZ down and the tailgate and installed the torsion bar per Gadgets instructions...all went well but I needed to really hammer the end into the tailgate. It was tough. Then I re-installed the EZ down. You will not believe what a difference it makes to have it go down on its own with the EZ down and then lift it like a feather with the torsion bar.
If you have done one or the other, you will have to install both. You get the benefits of both units and no drawbacks. This is so cool.

This is curious. I didn't have to do any reaming, any pounding, or anything but guide the rod into the holes drilled in the tailgate and I had my WIFE helping me and it went in as smooth as butter. Not sure why anyone would have to pound the rod in or ream the holes.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #118 on:** 11/10/07 05:40 AM »

Quote from: HiYoSilver on 11/08/07 12:36 PM

Thanks everyone (especially _gadget_) for the hints, trips and tricks to this mod. Ordered mine Monday, got it Wednesday and installed it today.

Sirshopolot had shown me this at the Renaissance GTG and it was my son that insisted I get this. You just have to love a boy that wants to mod with you.

Gotta love it.

Kids are great

Hope everyone love it!

CntrySngr72 · « **Reply #119 on:** 12/07/07 09:05 AM »

Got my Torsion bar in the mail yesterday...now all I need is a MOD GTG and I'll be set!!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #120 on:** 12/08/07 08:08 AM »

Quote from: CntrySngr72 on 12/07/07 09:05 AM

Got my Torsion bar in the mail yesterday...now all I need is a MOD GTG and I'll be set!!

Congratulations! You'll love it!

I bet you won't wait till the next GTG. Didit and Z66Butch can help.

CntrySngr72 · « **Reply #121 on:** 12/08/07 09:17 PM »

That's my hope...that they'll offer to come give me a hand with it!

Snoball · « **Reply #122 on:** 12/09/07 08:30 AM »

Hey- has anyone else installed both? They are working so great, I wondered why nobody was doing it before.

Donnie1 · « **Reply #123 on:** 12/22/07 11:01 AM »

I just completed the Torsion Bar mod and have just one word, WOW!!! What a difference that thing makes. Had the wife help me put the tailgate back on. It is much easier if you put the tailgate almost straight up and down to insert the rod. I also wobbled out the hole in the tailgate just a bit.

I think this was definitely the best $20 I have spent on the av yet.

After we got the tailgate back on, I had the wife put the tailgate up. She grabbed it with both hands and dang near threw it through the back window. Made it very easy to close and open.

I didn't take pics but with our Av being black, you wouldn;t have been able to see much anyway. The pics in the opening thread are perfect and the measurements were dead on.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #124 on:** 12/23/07 05:14 AM »

Gotta love $20 mods that make such a dramatic change for the better

Just have to be careful not to scratch the paint when reinstalling the tailgate.

Donnie1 · « **Reply #125 on:** 12/23/07 05:56 AM »

Quote from: Sirshopolot on 12/23/07 05:14 AM

Gotta love $20 mods that make such a dramatic change for the better

Just have to be careful not to scratch the paint when reinstalling the tailgate.

Yep that was my biggest fear as well.

vanlagan · « **Reply #126 on:** 01/02/08 05:46 PM »

I received mine today and installed it. I had a very loud "snapping" noise when opening and closing it.
I took the gate off to re-adjust the bar going into the tailgate. As I tried to put the gate back on the torsion bar snapped at the bed corner! So much for an easy $20.00 mod. I'll live without it!

moosc · « **Reply #127 on:** 01/02/08 05:52 PM »

Quote from: vanlagan on 01/02/08 05:46 PM

I received mine today and installed it. I had a very loud "snapping" noise when opening and closing it.
I took the gate off to re-adjust the bar going into the tailgate. As I tried to put the gate back on the torsion bar snapped at the bed corner! So much for an easy $20.00 mod. I'll live without it!

ouch thats not good

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #128 on:** 01/02/08 05:52 PM »

I would call and tell the company. Get a replacement or refund!

vanlagan · « **Reply #129 on:** 01/02/08 06:19 PM »

I sent them an email. We'll see what they do.

Donnie1 · « **Reply #130 on:** 01/02/08 07:34 PM »

Quote from: vanlagan on 01/02/08 05:46 PM

I received mine today and installed it. I had a very loud "snapping" noise when opening and closing it.
I took the gate off to re-adjust the bar going into the tailgate. As I tried to put the gate back on the torsion bar snapped at the bed corner! So much for an easy $20.00 mod. I'll live without it!

That sucks. I heard a popping on mine a couple of times as well but it didn't break. I figured it was just settling. It doesn't pop anymore. I'll keep an eye on it though.

Aquaholic21 · « **Reply #131 on:** 01/03/08 12:13 PM »

Ordered the torsion bar! I won't get in any trouble for this one like I would if I bought train horns today.

Av-n-Taz · « **Reply #132 on:** 01/03/08 09:59 PM »

Torsion Bar on the way.
Truck Customizers, $22.31 + $6.99 shipping.

Just wished I'd seen this sooner. It's supposed to hit the mid to upper 40's this weekend.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #133 on:** 01/04/08 01:53 AM »

Quote from: Av-n-Taz on 01/03/08 09:59 PM

Torsion Bar on the way.
Truck Customizers, $22.31 + $6.99 shipping.

Just wished I'd seen this sooner. It's supposed to hit the mid to upper 40's this weekend.

Shout out to Nebraska from a Lincoln native

Post your review after install.

vanlagan · « **Reply #134 on:** 01/04/08 02:47 PM »

Problem solved!
I sent them an email explaining that it broke, they sent me an email asking for a picture of the broken torsion bar. I sent it and they sent out a replacement today. Gotta love a company that stands behind their product!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #135 on:** 01/04/08 07:59 PM »

Quote from: vanlagan on 01/04/08 02:47 PM

Problem solved!
I sent them an email explaining that it broke, they sent me an email asking for a picture of the broken torsion bar. I sent it and they sent out a replacement today. Gotta love a company that stands behind their product!

That's awesome!

Thanks for sharing

Av-n-Taz · « **Reply #136 on:** 01/05/08 03:55 PM »

Sirshopolot,
Shout back.

Anyway, torsion bar arrived, this morning

.
2 days, that's the fastest I've ever gotten something I've ordered.

No need for additional notes on install. _gadget_ is right on the money with his installation for the Av. I double checked the weights on mine with a digital fishing scale. Same as _gadget_'s, took 28 lbs of pull to lift it from the fully down position, stock. After install it only took 8 lbs of pull. What a difference.

This is awesome.

Can't wait to do the EZDown.

EJ

05silverado · « **Reply #137 on:** 01/05/08 04:56 PM »

For all the Canuck members out there. Found the EZ Lift tailgate bars at Princess auto for about $14 dollars. Can't wait to install it when the snow clears up!

Have Fun! :wave:

CntrySngr72 · « **Reply #138 on:** 01/06/08 09:37 AM »

Going over to a buddy's house (he has a garage), going to do this install today...wish me luck!

vanlagan · « **Reply #139 on:** 01/06/08 02:34 PM »

I've got a favor to ask. Can someone that has one of these installed and working properly take a picture of the bar going into the tailgate while it is in the closed or better yet tailgate removed position?
I am confused on how far into the gate the bar actually goes.
Thanks in advance!
Thom

WILDFIRE · « **Reply #140 on:** 01/06/08 03:33 PM »

Quote from: CntrySngr72 on 01/06/08 09:37 AM

Going over to a buddy's house (he has a garage), going to do this install today...wish me luck!

hope it goes well

CntrySngr72 · « **Reply #141 on:** 01/06/08 06:22 PM »

Well, I got it in, but it wasn't easy. Where the bar goes into the vehicle was a pain to get in all the way...and yes, I took 3/4" off...I need to get some touch up paint for that area where it goes in...

But, it is in and works great!

WILDFIRE · « **Reply #142 on:** 01/06/08 07:26 PM »

Quote from: CntrySngr72 on 01/06/08 06:22 PM

Well, I got it in, but it wasn't easy. Where the bar goes into the vehicle was a pain to get in all the way...and yes, I took 3/4" off...I need to get some touch up paint for that area where it goes in...

But, it is in and works great!

good deal!

Av-n-Taz · « **Reply #143 on:** 01/06/08 08:46 PM »

Quote from: vanlagan on 01/06/08 02:34 PM

I've got a favor to ask. Can someone that has one of these installed and working properly take a picture of the bar going into the tailgate while it is in the closed or better yet tailgate removed position?
I am confused on how far into the gate the bar actually goes.
Thanks in advance!
Thom

vanlagan,
I know it's difficult to get the end into the tailgate, but it's easier with some help. The vertical end goes all the way to the 90 degree bend. The next little bend is there to keep the long horizontal section from rubbing against the bottom of the tailgate.

One note to others. It's inevitable that you're going to bend the sheet metal around the drilled hole. Trimming the 3/4" off the end helps. But, it's not a perfect cure. I went ahead and inserted a length of 3/8" steel bar and bent the sheet metal before hand. It definitely helped. After trimmg the end, I ground an angle in the end facing forward, as others did. This allows you to keep as much of the bar as possible. This helps to spread the pressure against a long area. And, prevent the sheet metal from tearing and/or the bar from sliding out the hole.

This is a great mod. I wish GM had had seen this years ago.

EJ

vanlagan · « **Reply #144 on:** 01/07/08 04:57 PM »

Quote from: Av-n-Taz on 01/06/08 08:46 PM

vanlagan,
I know it's difficult to get the end into the tailgate, but it's easier with some help. The vertical end goes all the way to the 90 degree bend. The next little bend is there to keep the long horizontal section from rubbing against the bottom of the tailgate.

So you are saying that the horizontal part of the torsion bar is actually touching the bottom of the gate?

Av-n-Taz · « **Reply #145 on:** 01/07/08 10:38 PM »

No. If installed correctly, the long horizontal section does not rub the tailgate. That way it won't rub the paint off, and/or make noises.

EJ

Hugz · « **Reply #146 on:** 01/07/08 10:56 PM »

Got one for my Bday this past weekend..

Thanx moosc....

Guess its time to have a MODDING GTG again..!!!!!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #147 on:** 01/08/08 02:09 AM »

Quote from: Hugz on 01/07/08 10:56 PM

Got one for my Bday this past weekend..

Thanx moosc....

Guess its time to have a MODDING GTG again..!!!!!

Congratulations Hugz! You'll love it. It's an easy install and if you pay attention and are careful you won't scratch the corners of the Av.

vanlagan · « **Reply #148 on:** 01/11/08 07:44 PM »

Got the replacement today and had it installed in under 5 minutes. Made the same "slapping" noise for the first 5-6 open and closes and then went silent. I'm thrilled. Thanks for the follow-up info. Av-n-taz!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #149 on:** 01/13/08 12:17 PM »

Quote from: CntrySngr72 on 01/06/08 06:22 PM

Well, I got it in, but it wasn't easy. Where the bar goes into the vehicle was a pain to get in all the way...and yes, I took 3/4" off...I need to get some touch up paint for that area where it goes in...

But, it is in and works great!

Yeah but do you love it? Does it work great?

Av-n-Taz · « **Reply #150 on:** 01/13/08 05:24 PM »

Quote from: vanlagan on 01/11/08 07:44 PM

Got the replacement today and had it installed in under 5 minutes. Made the same "slapping" noise for the first 5-6 open and closes and then went silent. I'm thrilled. Thanks for the follow-up info. Av-n-taz!

You're welcome, vanlagan.

You know, that slapping sound might be or was, the torsion bar snapping the top of the cladding, above the rear bumper. I remember, while trying to get mine inserted into the tailgate, it was "snapping". Kinda like playing cards in the bike spokes.

EJ

Avie · « **Reply #151 on:** 01/29/08 06:22 PM »

No problem with the install..

It works great!! Highly recommended.. I'm happy with it.

Aquaholic21 · « **Reply #152 on:** 01/30/08 10:48 AM »

I did mine alone - the hard part was getting the tailgate portion into the 2nd hole (further inside the tailgate) - I scratched the paint doing that, but you can't see it with the gate closed.

FYI - the tent works fine with this installed, it doesn't interfere with the tailgate straps.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #153 on:** 02/02/08 04:50 PM »

Quote from: Aquaholic21 on 01/30/08 10:48 AM

I did mine alone - the hard part was getting the tailgate portion into the 2nd hole (further inside the tailgate) - I scratched the paint doing that, but you can't see it with the gate closed.

FYI - the tent works fine with this installed, it doesn't interfere with the tailgate straps.

OMG How in the world did you do that!?

moosc · « **Reply #154 on:** 02/02/08 04:56 PM »

Hugz did you get yours installed yet

Aquaholic21 · « **Reply #155 on:** 02/06/08 12:23 PM »

Quote from: Sirshopolot on 02/02/08 04:50 PM

OMG How in the world did you do that!?

Me:

I didn't want to wait for help - and once I had scratched it I was even more determined to finish it.

It's not that hard to do, I would've been okay had I covered the scratched areas with rags.

Freebie · « **Reply #156 on:** 04/05/08 05:44 PM »

I just wanted to bump this thread up... there were a couple folks interested in this mod at the Cabela's gtg today... finally got mine installed and love it!

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #157 on:** 04/05/08 05:46 PM »

I bet Bean loves it too.

Hugz · « **Reply #158 on:** 04/05/08 05:46 PM »

Quote from: moosc on 02/02/08 04:56 PM

Hugz did you get yours installed yet

Yep installed it a few weeks ago.. WhY DIDnT I DO IT SOOnER.. LOVE THIS MOD.... One of the Best for the money no doubt..!!!!

Heidi Ho · « **Reply #159 on:** 04/05/08 06:25 PM »

I played with Huggy's and I am amazed with the difference...I ordered one just like it yesterday!!!

ChevyGuyNC · « **Reply #160 on:** 04/05/08 06:52 PM »

Quote from: CodeBlue'sWife on 04/05/08 06:25 PM

I played with Huggy's and I am amazed with the difference...I ordered one just like it yesterday!!!

Naughty girl!

Quote from: CodeBlue'sWife on 04/05/08 06:25 PM

I played with Huggy's and I am amazed with the difference...I ordered one just like it yesterday!!!

Funny, so did I!

Heidi Ho · « **Reply #161 on:** 04/05/08 06:55 PM »

Me------>

<---------Jeff

SRFNSNO · « **Reply #162 on:** 04/05/08 07:01 PM »

I did this today. Man it is nice!
Install in minutes!

SRFNSNO · « **Reply #163 on:** 04/09/08 04:22 AM »

Tools a Drill (1/8" piolot bit) 3/8" drill bit, Tape & a helper.

The T-bar goes into the hole you drilled in the Bed Rail and you then drill a hole in dottom of tail-gate for other end of t-bar.

BigBlackAv · « **Reply #164 on:** 04/09/08 04:40 AM »

Web · « **Reply #165 on:** 04/09/08 05:51 AM »

Quote from: BigBlackAv on 04/09/08 04:40 AM

ummm maybe start at the beginning........

Tartan Terror · « **Reply #166 on:** 04/14/08 01:01 PM »

You aint kidding about how great this Mod is! I just did mine and I have always been afraid of letting the gate slip out of my hands while fumbling and now it lifts and drops so easy!!! Great stuff here.

myscndfvrtride · « **Reply #167 on:** 04/26/08 10:24 AM »

Just ordered mine today!

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #168 on:** 04/27/08 08:31 AM »

Quote from: myscndfvrtride on 04/26/08 10:24 AM

Just ordered mine today!

You'll love it!

pvpeacock · « **Reply #169 on:** 04/27/08 07:42 PM »

First off, a big thanks to Gadget for starting this thread out. The instructions were invaluable in installing mine this afternoon. However, I do have one question. Is the "B" side of the torsion bar supposed to go all the way into the bottom of the tailgate up the 90 degree angle? I was able to hammer most (80%) into the tailgate, but not all of it. It works just fine and doesn't appear to be rubbing on anything, but if you squat down and look between the bottom of the tailgate when it's closed and the bumper cladding, you can see it sticking down a little bit. Is this normal or should I reinstall it? If the latter, are there any tricks to getting it in all the way? Thanks in advance for your comments.

Web · « **Reply #170 on:** 04/27/08 07:47 PM »

When I did mine.. I had to get a longer drill to drill about 4-5 inchs in..I hit a second wall...

ohiobellboy · « **Reply #171 on:** 06/09/08 07:23 PM »

Just did mine tonight

Thanks Gadget for doing the start on this

Just one thing, Take off you LOF before doing this, I didn't have the bar the whole way into my 'gate and put a little crack in my LOF, took out one brake light on the bar but the reverse and scanners still work.

MS03 2500 · « **Reply #172 on:** 06/09/08 07:32 PM »

OBB did ya do it by yourself, I was going to putmine on last weekend, but my buddy (Freebie) bailed out on me.

ohiobellboy · « **Reply #173 on:** 06/09/08 07:53 PM »

Quote from: MichiganSilver03 on 06/09/08 07:32 PM

OBB did ya do it by yourself, I was going to putmine on last weekend, but my buddy (Freebie) bailed out on me.

Made the teenagers earn their keep

Just make sure you drill far enough into the tailgate for the bar to go in all the way and it'll go right on. It's definately a 2+person job though unless you're an octopus.

CodeBlueEMT · « **Reply #174 on:** 06/10/08 05:11 AM »

Quote from: ohiobellboy on 06/09/08 07:53 PM

Made the teenagers earn their keep Just make sure you drill far enough into the tailgate for the bar to go in all the way and it'll go right on. It's definately a 2+person job though unless you're an octopus.

Always good to get "a little help from my friends". 8 arms would be a plus...LOL.

Shayne

Didit · « **Reply #175 on:** 06/10/08 04:04 PM »

Quote from: CodeBlueEMT on 06/10/08 05:11 AM

Always good to get "a little help from my friends". 8 arms would be a plus...LOL.

Shayne

8 will get in the way, 6 will suffice, lol

Didit

btw Flyineagle and myself did Motodj's in a campground, took less than fifteen minutes, no scratches what so ever!

ohiobellboy · « **Reply #176 on:** 06/10/08 08:35 PM »

I've learned by doing this one. I kinda watched CodeBlue's install at Hugz ( Hey, someone had to take pix) any more I help with should be a breeze.

xceebeex · « **Reply #177 on:** 07/03/08 07:59 AM »

I think I am gonna order the parts and do this as my next mod!

For the people suggesting painting around the hole's drilled, could you just use a rubber grommet instead?

Web · « **Reply #178 on:** 07/03/08 09:47 AM »

The hole is the right size for the bar to go in ...If you drill a bigger hole to put in a gromet you might just push it away with pressure from the bar. Just put some paint on a Q tip... the bar covers lots of it anyway..

xceebeex · « **Reply #179 on:** 07/03/08 10:02 AM »

Quote from: Web on 07/03/08 09:47 AM

The hole is the right size for the bar to go in ...If you drill a bigger hole to put in a gromet you might just push it away with pressure from the bar. Just put some paint on a Q tip... the bar covers lots of it anyway..

Gotcha. I just figured that the grommet would look a lot nicer, but if there is just enough room then I guess it would be tough. I may try it without increasing the hole size just to see if it works since grommets cost next to nothing.

Web · « **Reply #180 on:** 07/03/08 10:11 AM »

Once it's in, you'll never notice it... looks wise... but it's great on getting rid of the weight of the tailgate...

xceebeex · « **Reply #181 on:** 07/03/08 10:16 AM »

Quote from: Web on 07/03/08 10:11 AM

Once it's in, you'll never notice it... looks wise... but it's great on getting rid of the weight of the tailgate...

Yea, I am not too worried about it either way.

I can't wait to get the parts in. I am going to try and do the mod next weekend if I get around to it and the part comes in.

CodeBlueEMT · « **Reply #182 on:** 07/08/08 07:52 AM »

When you drill into the bed rail, make sure you DO NOT drill through both walls. The bar needs to go into the outside hole and "up" against the inside of the bed rail. If you drill too far and go through both walls, it's a pain to make the upward turn with the bar.

Shayne

xceebeex · « **Reply #183 on:** 07/08/08 07:55 AM »

My bar comes in tomorrow and I plan on doing it this weekend! Can't wait.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #184 on:** 07/08/08 02:54 PM »

You'll

it

xceebeex · « **Reply #185 on:** 07/19/08 04:36 PM »

Well I put the bar in last weekend and just haven't had a chance to post about it. Anyway, it went fairly well, there were some tough parts and I cut things a little different, but overall it went well. It is a night and day difference too. Definitely one of the better mods anyone can do for these trucks.

One thing that I would mention when measuring to drill the holes; make sure you measure the 32.5 inches over from the hole you put by the tail light. That is one thing thats not mentioned in the directions. Depending on where you put your hole near the tail light, it may not be 32.5 inches over from the cup. Just make sure you double check things before you drill.

Donnie1 · « **Reply #186 on:** 07/19/08 06:40 PM »

Quote from: xceebeex on 07/19/08 04:36 PM

Well I put the bar in last weekend and just haven't had a chance to post about it. Anyway, it went fairly well, there were some tough parts and I cut things a little different, but overall it went well. It is a night and day difference too. Definitely one of the better mods anyone can do for these trucks.

One thing that I would mention when measuring to drill the holes; make sure you measure the 32.5 inches over from the hole you put by the tail light. That is one thing thats not mentioned in the directions. Depending on where you put your hole near the tail light, it may not be 32.5 inches over from the cup. Just make sure you double check things before you drill.

Glad things went for you in the end. Great suggestions as well.

Sirshopolot · « **Reply #187 on:** 07/19/08 09:33 PM »

Good point xceebeex

Measure twice, drill once

ohiobellboy · « **Reply #188 on:** 07/20/08 08:19 AM »

Quote from: Sirshopolot on 07/19/08 09:33 PM

Good point xceebeex

Measure twice, drill once

I though ya needed 2 holes for this installation ?

Good addition to the instruction xceebeex

mhough · « **Reply #189 on:** 11/04/08 07:13 AM »

Where can one find one of these torsion bar lift assist made for an Avalanche??

MoAv · « **Reply #190 on:** 11/04/08 07:20 AM »

This is the one mhough - it doesn't say Avalanche specifically, but it's the one we're using. Guess the Silvy & Av are pretty much the same thing...LINK

sssMOkinAV · « **Reply #191 on:** 11/04/08 07:43 AM »

Quote from: MoAv on 11/04/08 07:20 AM

This is the one mhough - it doesn't say Avalanche specifically, but it's the one we're using. Guess the Silvy & Av are pretty much the same thing...LINK

yup, thats the one i have... still havent installed it yet

mhough · « **Reply #192 on:** 11/04/08 07:46 AM »

Quote from: MoAv on 11/04/08 07:20 AM

This is the one mhough - it doesn't say Avalanche specifically, but it's the one we're using. Guess the Silvy & Av are pretty much the same thing...LINK

Cool - thanks for the help!

cadboy1 · « **Reply #193 on:** 12/18/08 01:54 PM »

Quote from: xceebeex on 07/19/08 04:36 PM

One thing that I would mention when measuring to drill the holes; make sure you measure the 32.5 inches over from the hole you put by the tail light. That is one thing that's not mentioned in the directions. Depending on where you put your hole near the tail light, it may not be 32.5 inches over from the cup. Just make sure you double check things before you drill.

That is some great advice. I wish I read it before I installed mine today. I drilled my hole by the tail light close to the inside like the first post shows and measured from the cup for the 32.5 for the tailgate hole. When Trying to put the tailgate back on I was way off from being able to get the cup over the post. Doing it by myself was hard but Im not sure another person would have made it any easier as I just had to pull the gate and flex the torsion bar in ways it did not want to bend to get the cup on. If my hole was a 1/2 inch further in it would be sweet.

Oh well, it is in and working great and only a few scuffs on the cladding on the bumper sides. No big deal. Like a lot of things you do the first time the 2nd one you do would be easier and take half as long

Tartan Terror · « **Reply #194 on:** 12/18/08 01:57 PM »

Quote from: cadboy1 on 12/18/08 01:54 PM

That is some great advice. I wish I read it before I installed mine today. I drilled my hole by the tail light close to the inside like the first post shows and measured from the cup for the 32.5 for the tailgate hole. When Trying to put the tailgate back on I was way off from being able to get the cup over the post. Doing it by myself was hard but Im not sure another person would have made it any easier as I just had to pull the gate and flex the torsion bar in ways it did not want to bend to get the cup on. If my hole was a 1/2 inch further in it would be sweet.

Oh well, it is in and working great and only a few scuffs on the cladding on the bumper sides. No big deal. Like a lot of things you do the first time the 2nd one you do would be easier and take half as long

You should have called me. Anyway Im glad it worked out for you.

cadboy1 · « **Reply #195 on:** 12/18/08 02:10 PM »

Quote from: Tartan Terror on 12/18/08 01:57 PM

You should have called me. Anyway Im glad it worked out for you.

It was spur of the moment. I am finally feeling a little better today and was getting bored sitting around

I also installed a 12v outlet on the new sled. A factory Polaris unit that included the harness. No cutting or splicing. I should tell Harry about that