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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #75 on: 07/09/08 02:34 PM »

In reading Chief's written explanation on this board about what was said in the interview, he specifically noted that (at least GM) is doing something about SUV mpgs by referring to the Tahoe Hybrid.  Those comments were completely edited from the interview to purposely support NBC's intended agenda.  They want to force SUV owners into driving "jogging shoes".  Those of us who NEED one like me (my 2 businesses demand driving either the AV or a 4-door truck).  Yes, he did comment on selling his, but NBC's use of those comments through editing carefully used the comment out of context.

Besides....there is a lot of "hype" and misunderstanding about MPGs.  Many, many of our membership drive their AVs less than 5K miles a year according to the miles they have posted. For example, Flint4x4 has half the mileage on his '04(I think it's an '04) than I do on my '07.  In contrast, someone who commutes to and from work at 100 miles per day in a "jogging shoe" getting higher MPGs maybe using just as much or MORE gas.  So, which is worse?  Your avg MPGs or how much gas you consume?
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #76 on: 07/09/08 02:34 PM »

Neither one of these guys is Chief.



Put them together and then maybe!


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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #77 on: 07/09/08 02:36 PM »

Maybe, JUST maybe..........

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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #78 on: 07/09/08 02:40 PM »

Great interview :thumbsup: Chief was the perfect person to talk about the pain that everyone of us is feeling at the gas pump, being the founder of a truck club and having to give that truck up puts him in a very unique position. Really drives the point they were trying to make about the state of the economy due to high gas prices home.
 
Using the Avalanche as an example was good too because although it's an SUV, it isn't universally hated like a Hummer or ignored like an Expedition.
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #79 on: 07/09/08 02:41 PM »

Great interview :thumbsup: Chief was the perfect person to talk about the pain that everyone of us is feeling at the gas pump, being the founder of a truck club and having to give that truck up puts him in a very unique position. Really drives the point they were trying to make about the state of the economy due to high gas prices home.
 
Using the Avalanche as an example was good too because although it's an SUV, it isn't as universally hated as a Hummer or ignored like an Expedition.


how is he possibly the "perfect" person to interview for this?  ask him what his highest fill up ticket was THREE YEARS AGO.... then look at your latest gas bill and tell me in a semi-convincing way you wouldn't be a better person to dicuss CURRENT fuel concerns with...


again, nothing against chief but let's at least compare apples with apples here folks...
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #80 on: 07/09/08 02:43 PM »


how is he possibly the "perfect" person to interview for this?  ask him what his highest fill up ticket was THREE YEARS AGO.... then look at your latest gas bill and tell me in a semi-convincing way you wouldn't be a better person to dicuss CURRENT fuel concerns with...


again, nothing against chief but let's at least compare apples with apples here folks...

Um, Holly.........Darkhorse up there  ^^, he, um, drives a MUSTANG............
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #81 on: 07/09/08 02:45 PM »

Um, Holly.........Darkhorse up there  ^^, he, um, drives a MUSTANG............

Believe he traded his Av for it.
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #82 on: 07/09/08 02:48 PM »

 :E:  guess i've been away from the boards too long  :laugh:



but hopefully u understand my point... a CURRENT owner would be the most logical person to discuss the pocket pinching (no comments please trav  :beating:  :4: )  not a FORMER owner...  however, if the former owner were at least a RECENT former owner, that'd be at least a little bit more fair imho...
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #83 on: 07/09/08 02:49 PM »


how is he possibly the "perfect" person to interview for this?  ask him what his highest fill up ticket was THREE YEARS AGO.... then look at your latest gas bill and tell me in a semi-convincing way you wouldn't be a better person to dicuss CURRENT fuel concerns with...


again, nothing against chief but let's at least compare apples with apples here folks...
Because the premise of the story is that high gas prises are driving people out of their SUVs and hurting dealers. Whatever the reasons for trading his AV in on a cheaper car may have been, he is the founder of an SUV club who doesn't own the truck that he started the club for because of costs. It illustrates the point better than finding some yokel off the street in a Hummer and getting him to let out a few grunts about how much gas costs.
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #84 on: 07/09/08 02:50 PM »

In my fragile condition, I've managed to respond to 2 separate threads. Please forgive. The OP I keep referring to is GasCrunch and I know all too well about sound bites and unattended interviews.

Great interview and huge kudo's for getting the club some much needed national attention but I guess i'll be the first to be beat on for my going against the stream on this one...  

I respect that chief did an awesome job setting up this site, but am i the only one to feel he was hands down the wrong one to interview for this story?  well, i guess, if u're the news station, he'd be the right one as living proof that we should get outta our suv's for gas sippers since even the guy who founded a HUGE "truck club" did that himself...

as a follow up, lemme point out... he got rid of his when fuel was:

"In comparison, in 2005 the average crude oil price was $50 per barrel and the crude oil cost was 53% of the retail price."

a more "fair", "unbiased" report would include a person who, nearly 3 yrs later STILL drives an Av... who better to tell the story of someone paying $100/fill up than, oh, i don't know, someone who's still doing it?  it boils me that the IMPLICATION here is that he's "trading in his avalanche" right now as we speak (notice the car lot backdrop?)... not the reality that he did it when a barrel of oil was less than HALF what it is now... not a real appropriate portrayal imho from the media...


i guess it doesn't surprise me that the media was unbalanced in their reporting... AGAIN... a more balanced reporting would include folks who've at least TRIED to trade their vehicle in for something more fuel economical but couldn't because of how severely burried they are in their current suv... or those who think every penny for the fuel is worth it to them for the safety their family enjoys in it... or how bout folks who want to drive w/e the he!! they want because THEY earned the money and THEY can decide how they wanna spend their own money !

thanx for the link btw, was great to finally put a face to the name :1:

My first initial thoughts when this thread popped up today was the fallout from the NYC post the other day. Then the OP started going on about people driving their rigs without passengers.

During my entire driving period of life, I can safely say it has been at least 90% as a single driver. I don't recall looking at other vehicles passing me and wondering why they had only one person or multiple persons. I have questioned a few empty busses and passenger trains on occasion, but I still don't understand the logic of why it matters to someone else what I drive, alone or otherwise. (Other than driving single in HOV lanes, is driving alone a crime?)

As I drove, singly of course, to a scheduled MD appointment this morning, I pondered the OP's initial arguments and the European connection. Of course it never came out that the reason for the high prices in Europe, Japan was due to the taxes to pay for the mass transit infrastructure or other social utopian concepts that do make us different.

I began to think of the past threads Avalanche Fox has posted regarding financing and doing everything but actually bashing people upside the head to make them THINK of what they were getting into before making a new vehicle purchase. I was glad to see that Fox has posted, but what I think has been missing is how quickly we, the driving community, are so quick to jump ship before looking to see how deep the drop is or what the actual cost is going to be in the end.

No one made us go out and buy a less than 20 MPG vehicle. The Auto Industry markets what they can sell. When they can't sell, they find something else that will. Look how long it took for Muscle Cars to return after the debacle of the late 70's. Just as these vehicles were getting legs again, boom, fuel prices climb higher than wild dreams and here we are again, going full circle to small econo boxes.

Since the beginning of time, people have transported themselves as they could afford, just as they have lived. Big houses and large vehicles tend to follow the ability to afford them. Not that people are poor for driving smaller vehicles. It's their choice as it it ours for driving larger and generally more mileage efficient vehicles than most perceived smaller vehicles on the road today.

Ultimately, drive what you want, but mostly, what you can afford.

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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #85 on: 07/09/08 02:51 PM »

Believe he traded his Av for it.
:thumbsup: yes, and I'm much happier being a fan of everyone elses Avalanches.
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #86 on: 07/09/08 02:53 PM »

:E:  guess i've been away from the boards too long  :laugh:



but hopefully u understand my point... a CURRENT owner would be the most logical person to discuss the pocket pinching (no comments please trav  :beating:  :4: )  not a FORMER owner...  however, if the former owner were at least a RECENT former owner, that'd be at least a little bit more fair imho...

But who better to interview regarding the pain of $100 fill ups than a current member who CURRENTLY owns 2 of our beloved trucks................ :needhug:
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #87 on: 07/09/08 02:54 PM »

Because the premise of the story is that high gas prises are driving people out of their SUVs and hurting dealers. Whatever the reasons for trading his AV in on a cheaper car may have been, he is the founder of an SUV club who doesn't own the truck that he started the club for because of costs. It illustrates the point better than finding some yokel off the street in a Hummer and getting him to let out a few grunts about how much gas costs.


You are saying that since the founder has chosen to drive something else due to gas prices, it lends more creedence (I hope I spelled that correctly) to the idea that gas prices are affecting us (our psyche).  Correct?


:thumbsup: yes, and I'm much happier being a fan of everyone elses Avalanches.

Does that mean I have a fan? :A:
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #88 on: 07/09/08 03:02 PM »

You are saying that since the founder has chosen to drive something else due to gas prices, it lends more creedence (I hope I spelled that correctly) to the idea that gas prices are affecting us (our psyche).  Correct?


Does that mean I have a fan? :A:
Yes, there are stories on every station every day that feature somebody standing by their huge truck or SUV complaining about the price of gas. Chief's story is unique. (credence)

Haven't met your AV but I'm sure I'd like it.  :laugh:
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #89 on: 07/09/08 03:06 PM »

Yes, there are stories on every station every day that feature somebody standing by their huge truck or SUV complaining about the price of gas. Chief's story is unique. (credence)    I can agree with that as well

Haven't met your AV but I'm sure I'd like it.  :laugh:   

Woo-Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!  My av has a fan!!!!! :laugh:
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #90 on: 07/09/08 03:11 PM »

.... but what I think has been missing is how quickly we, the driving community, are so quick to jump ship before looking to see how deep the drop is or what the actual cost is going to be in the end.


First of all... my warmest hugs and regards to you and your family... u are truely missed and i hope all the folks u meet in your kindness of donating your time know how special you are to so many of us :A:


Second of all... Folks need to think about how bad it hurts them mathmatically to swap out of an suv into something more fuel efficient... lemme throw out some numbers for you:

figuring an average rate of 6.99% x 60 mos and 7.99% x 72 mos... lets see some math...

for every $5,000 in negative equity to stack on top of your new gas sipper you'd be paying an extra @ $100/Mo for 60 mos... or @ $88/mo for 72 mos ON TOP OF your new car payment and that's not to include the extra taxes, licensing, etc fees you'll be repaying...

most folks that are financing an suv purchased w/in the last 3 years are that way... average person i see on a daily basis trying to trade one in are upside down @ 8-14k... but for the heck of it... let's figure it was only 5k...  now lets go onto some more numbers...

at driving 12k/yr @ 15 mpg for an average on the Av's (i hope most of u will agree that's a fair number to use)...
12,000 / 15 = 800 gallons/year... X $4.00/gallon = $3,200/year... $266/mo

at driving 12k/yr @ 27 mpg for an average on say a honda accord (a 4 door sedan that although reasonably fit a family of 5 on a budget)...
12,000 / 15 = 444 gallons/year... X $4.00/gallon = $1,776/year... $148/mo

so u're netting out, IF u only have $5k in negative equity about $18/mo in net savings if these numbers fit your driving habits, etc.  if that $18/mo is too overwhelming to be in something safer / more room / more versatile, I'd guess i have nothing else to help u with...


now... let's throw something even MORE fun into the mix... if u do have any more than @ $5k in negative ... sooooo few banks are willing to advance for all that extra money on a new vehicle purchase... they're tightening up a TON and the days of letting u stack 10, 15k of negative onto your new vehicle purchase are getting to be loooonngnggggg gone....
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #91 on: 07/09/08 03:14 PM »

Good info that most of us don't think about on a daily basis!  Thanks Fox!
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #92 on: 07/09/08 03:50 PM »

Av spotted at 2:02!

Very cool to see you on TV, Chief!


That is AWESOME - I doubt that the editors did that on purpose, just happened to be in the stock film they used.  Great find!
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #93 on: 07/09/08 04:06 PM »


First of all... my warmest hugs and regards to you and your family... u are truely missed and i hope all the folks u meet in your kindness of donating your time know how special you are to so many of us :A:


Second of all... Folks need to think about how bad it hurts them mathmatically to swap out of an suv into something more fuel efficient... lemme throw out some numbers for you:

figuring an average rate of 6.99% x 60 mos and 7.99% x 72 mos... lets see some math...

for every $5,000 in negative equity to stack on top of your new gas sipper you'd be paying an extra @ $100/Mo for 60 mos... or @ $88/mo for 72 mos ON TOP OF your new car payment and that's not to include the extra taxes, licensing, etc fees you'll be repaying...

most folks that are financing an suv purchased w/in the last 3 years are that way... average person i see on a daily basis trying to trade one in are upside down @ 8-14k... but for the heck of it... let's figure it was only 5k...  now lets go onto some more numbers...

at driving 12k/yr @ 15 mpg for an average on the Av's (i hope most of u will agree that's a fair number to use)...
12,000 / 15 = 800 gallons/year... X $4.00/gallon = $3,200/year... $266/mo

at driving 12k/yr @ 27 mpg for an average on say a honda accord (a 4 door sedan that although reasonably fit a family of 5 on a budget)...
12,000 / 15 = 444 gallons/year... X $4.00/gallon = $1,776/year... $148/mo

so u're netting out, IF u only have $5k in negative equity about $18/mo in net savings if these numbers fit your driving habits, etc.  if that $18/mo is too overwhelming to be in something safer / more room / more versatile, I'd guess i have nothing else to help u with...


now... let's throw something even MORE fun into the mix... if u do have any more than @ $5k in negative ... sooooo few banks are willing to advance for all that extra money on a new vehicle purchase... they're tightening up a TON and the days of letting u stack 10, 15k of negative onto your new vehicle purchase are getting to be loooonngnggggg gone....

When I traded in my Avalanche I did think about all the angles.  Depreciation already taken on the Avalanche, depreciation on its replacement vehicle, interest rate on the Avalanche, interest rate on the new loan, impact to auto insurance costs, impact to annual registration costs, different maintainence requirements, and meeting my new needs.  In my case, I was commuting solo 52 miles a day in bumper-to-bumper traffic.  At $2.25 a gallon, which was the point when I traded in, I was spending over $4,000 a year on gasoline and made the concious decision that I didn't want to spend that kind of money on gas, but other things.  It wasn't a, "I can't afford it," it was a, "I don't want to pay this."

If you do some back of the napkin math, 28 gallons to "fill up" from near empty at $2.25 costs about $63.00 when the meter goes click.  AHHHH.  But gasoline today is about $4.40 a gallon in Seattle on average, it has doubled in about 38 months.  I have a 17 gallon tank now and a 15 gallon fill up at $4.40, well do some back of the napkin math and it comes out to - $66.  Now of course, as everyone here knows, filling up 28 gallons would be more than $66, I'm better off.  Additionally I'm in a better position jumping off when I did.  As you know A-Fox the trade-ins on large SUVs and trucks are brutal now, I got above dealer sale blue book value on my Avalanche, stripped of most of its modifications (I wasn't going to rip the instrument cluster out as an example) and it was sold one hour later for almost $4,000 more than what they gave me in trade.  That wouldn't happen today and the depreciation curve, which would be flat on my middle aged Avalanche would be increasing again.

I'll make it very clear to everyone, I did bring up the fact that I'm now paying exactly what I paid for a tank of gas three years ago even though I downsized - gas is freakin' expensive.  I've been receiving a number of phone calls and e-mails after the interview aired and the NYT story, there will be more to come out of this I think.  I talked to someone today and explained to them that a Toyota Sienna minivan was a 22 gallon gas tank, and if you run that to near empty, you're damn close to a $100 fill up, this isn't just an SUV issue.

The "agenda" of the story was the psyche of the $100 tank of gas, I think they nailed the point well.  I did point out also in my broader interview that there are people that own SUVs and trucks that have large families, or businesses, or hauling/trailering needs and they REQUIRE these vehicles and that these are the people really hurting from these prices.  My mention of other hybrids went beyond the Tahoe, I tried to make it agnostic (and in defense of NBC, at the request of the producer after I brought up the Tahoe) that there are other fullsize and midsize SUV hybrid options available from a number of manufacturers.

I don't feel they biased the story, I wished the point that even though I traded in, I'm now paying more money than before (although technically when you adjust for inflation it is less money), and that there are real people out there being impacted by the $100 tank of gas.
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« Reply #94 on: 07/09/08 04:13 PM »

One other thing I forgot to mention which is REALLY important to me, and I want people EVERYWHERE to know Toyota's true colors.

When I was initially contacted for the story they asked if I knew a filming location, having not lived in Houston for ten years now, advised I wouldn't be the best person, but the producers wanted some trucks/SUVs in the background.  I told them I had been in the Toyota Center (where the Houston Rockets play) the admin officers were open and they had a huge truck and SUV display inside the Toyota Center (and my selfish motivation was not having to do the interview inside).

Toyota DENIED ACCESS.

Why?  Exact words, "Toyota does not want our products associated with a story on high fuel prices."

Really?  Then why do you have a big display of your worst gas guzzlers, the Sequoia, the Tundra, and the FJ Cruiser when you walk into the Toyota Center???  You've got gas guzzling on display (and the only car I saw in the hold center was a lone Corolla S).

I will say again, if you live in Houston, Steve, the owner of Knapp Chevrolet was a brave man to allow us to use his lot (you wouldn't know from the video at the end of the day) and talk about his declined business.  I'll also add, they didn't take out his, "better days are ahead," point in the story.  If you live in the greater Houston Area and drive a Chevrolet, consider kicking some business there way, even if its just your next oil change for any Chevrolet you're rolling around in, and when you do, make sure you let them know you're there to support them for doing the news story.

And Toyota can go copulate themselves, bunch of hypocrites, it will catch up with them one day.
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #95 on: 07/09/08 04:18 PM »

Get Knapp Happy! :thumbsup:

Was their slogan a while back.  Haven't seen a commercial lately, so don't know if they still use it.
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« Reply #96 on: 07/09/08 04:23 PM »

     I thought I should mention it the Chief's piece was played by the local NBC affiliate here in Nashville. You could SOOOOOooo tell that they cut and chopped up the interview quite a bit to make it sound the way they wanted to. The Chief did look good though, an he got the plug in so  :thumbsup:

Someone should contact WSMV in Nashville no later than TOMORROW and let them know that the CAFCNA National Meet is in their backyard this up coming weekend (well the weekend after that weekend, you know what I mean) and that it ties in beautifully with the national feed story they picked up.  Then they can talk to the local owners on how they are coping, and I'm sure at least a few people who wouldn't give up their Avalanche if gas was $20 a gallon.
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« Reply #97 on: 07/09/08 05:44 PM »

Way to go Chief!
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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #98 on: 07/09/08 09:38 PM »

Hey there Chief!

Saw the interview this morning and heard the plug for the site! I tivo'd the show so I could watch the whole interview later as I was heading out the door to work.

Great job and nice suit! ;)

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Re: Chief Interviewed for the Today Show
« Reply #99 on: 07/09/08 10:27 PM »

So I get out to Hell, errr, Houston on a 95 degree day I mean and they were going to film in the middle of the lot.  Now this is where it gets into, "oh, that's how this is done."

Great interview, wish they would have played all of your interview, but I guess the left handed media can't have anything positive to air.  That would contradict their entire reason for being.  The reason why I refuse to watch most any news program, worthless lies.

As for the hot day...I can't wait until Southern Nevada cools down into the 95* range.  Heck, the low temp here just before sunrise is in the 90's.

I will keep my fingers crossed that Sean Hannity calls on you, or the National's Crew, for a story of truth.

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