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Author Topic: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation  (Read 224084 times)

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I'll use this thread to document the process of removing the Intermediate Steering Shaft (old version) and using the GM Lubrication Kit, for those looking for it.

For starters, here is the kit with contents, and the instructions page:

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The following pictures identify the lower portion of the shaft, in the engine compartment.  Tools required to remove this end - 15mm socket and/or wrench.

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Next, we'll show the upper end of the shaft, under the dash.  Same tools required to remove bolt at this end.  However, post following this will detail something that aids in removal.

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Having a Z66 with power pedals, the accellerator pedal assembly is large, perhaps larger than a non-power.  Removing this assembly provides ample room to detach the shaft and remove it from the vehicle, pulling it out from under the dash.  Tools required:  10mm socket, extension, universal joint helpful.  2 nuts hold the pedal assembly on studs attached to the firewall.

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Once the shaft is pulled out, this is what it looks like (compressed)

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Instructions inform you that the spacer in the lower end of the shaft is to be removed using needlenose pliers.  Be warned, this is not necessarily easy, mine was very tight.

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Once the spacer is removed, the instructions advise to compress the shaft.  Inject the entire contents of the syringe in to the shaft in the end that you removed the spacer from.

Once all lube is in the shaft, install the plug and tighten wing nut completely.  Then you get to exercise your shaft by expanding and compressing it several times to distribute the lubricant.  You should start to see a splined grease exit pattern from the upper end of the shaft collar.  Instructions suggest that you work the shaft until approximately 1/2" (13mm) of lubricant is exposed.

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Once the shaft is lubed to specs, installation is the reverse of removal.  Install the shaft from underneath the dash, secure upper end to steering column and tighten bolt.  Reinstall pedal (of removed) and tighten 2 nuts.  Insert lower end of shaft in upper end of next shaft, install bolt and tighten.

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Total time involved, start to finish, for me (including time to take pictures):

25 minutes.

This is really a zero-beer repair in terms of overall time and difficulty :)
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Installing the updated shaft would use the same processes for shaft removal and reinstallation, the lubrication steps are skipped.
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I read somewhere that you had to keep the steering wheel stationary. Did you use anything special to do this?
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What is the correlation of having a Z66 with power pedals? Is something different if you have a Z71 with power pedals? How about if I still have winter air in my tires  ??? Or if I have a green Z66 with power pedals  :laugh:
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What is the correlation of having a Z66 with power pedals? Is something different if you have a Z71 with power pedals? How about if I still have winter air in my tires ??? Or if I have a green Z66 with power pedals :laugh:

I was just pointing out that mine was a Z66 with power pedals, vs. a non-power pedal equipped Av.
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I read somewhere that you had to keep the steering wheel stationary. Did you use anything special to do this?

Common sense :)

One option is the seatbelt.  Run the seat forward, wrap the belt around the wheel, latch belt, move seat back to tighten.
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Common sense :)

One option is the seatbelt.  Run the seat forward, wrap the belt around the wheel, latch belt, move seat back to tighten.

Or a steering wheel locking pin
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I was just pointing out that mine was a Z66 with power pedals, vs. a non-power pedal equipped Av.

So the difference is you have power pedals. Not that you have a Z66 with power pedals. The Z66 is irrelevant or are the Z66's with power pedals different than a Z71 with power pedals? Not trying to be a D&%k.  :A:
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So the difference is you have power pedals. Not that you have a Z66 with power pedals. The Z66 is irrelevant or are the Z66's with power pedals different than a Z71 with power pedals? Not trying to be a D&%k.  :A:

No, only difference are power pedals vs. non-power pedals.  Power pedals make for a more contortionistic installation.
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So the difference is you have power pedals. Not that you have a Z66 with power pedals. The Z66 is irrelevant or are the Z66's with power pedals different than a Z71 with power pedals? Not trying to be a D&%k.  :A:

You're just over-reading.

There's no difference between Z66 and Z71 pedals.
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You're just over-reading.

There's no difference between Z66 and Z71 pedals.

Actually your over writing. Simply stating you had power pedals would have been sufficient.

Anyway..nice write up..where was it when I lubed my shaft a few years ago  ???
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Great instructions Doug...............  Thanks
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Got my shaft today. You coming to install it for me Doug?
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Wow i just read this. Very cool Doug,thanx.  Im working on it some day 'tho.
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Got my shaft today. You coming to install it for me Doug?

Other way around, I'll install but it's done in MY garage :)

I know my tools, I am comfortable with my tools.  Even if it IS 247 freaking degrees in my garage.
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A nice cool 57 degrees this morning on Long Island  :A:
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silly question, but what is the reason that you have to do this? I just got a squeking noise when I turn the wheel.  Is that what you have to do to make that go away?

thank Doug for the write up and pics, very nice :thumbsup:
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The lube kit was fix #2 from GM for the loose intermediate steering shaft.  It's not a squeak-related cure.
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I used that part number you have listed for the lube kit on gmpartsdirect and they show its discontinued.
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I was just sitting here checking out my shaft. How do I tell if I have the new one or not? I remember there being a picture of the new and the old side by side but for the life of me I cant seem to find it.
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I was just sitting hear checking out my shaft. How do I tell if I have the new one or not? I remember there being a picture of the new and the old side by side but for the life of me I cant seem to find it.

The part # should be a dead giveaway :)
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I used that part number you have listed for the lube kit on gmpartsdirect and they show its discontinued.

I was worried that would happen so I ordered an extra kit. So far my problem has not returned  :A:
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I used that part number you have listed for the lube kit on gmpartsdirect and they show its discontinued.
it also says...


* This part has been replaced by a new part number. The new part number will be used if you add this part to your cart.
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The part # should be a dead giveaway :)
I never trust the man.
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If you start from page 2 and read, this post can take a hole different meaning.  :4:
I was just sitting hear checking out my shaft.
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I just had mine lubed. I was in for an oil change and got to talking to the service manager (someone I went to school with). What a difference.... makes me proud to drive the AV again.  :thumbsup:
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Got mine installed today. Makes a GREAT difference! My Av is more stabile!
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I just had mine lubed. I was in for an oil change and got to talking to the service manager (someone I went to school with). What a difference.... makes me proud to drive the AV again.  :thumbsup:
Got mine installed today. Makes a GREAT difference! My Av is more stabile!
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I spoke to soon  :P It has returned. Its been a while since I felt it (no, not that)but I think its what I felt today >:(
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I have a question about this replacement.

I have a 2003 Z71 1500 that I bought used.  Lately, there's been a low pitch moaning noise when I make slow turns to either direction.  I'm wondering if it is related to this issue and I need the replacement or just have it greased.  The same type thing happened to a 2003 Tahoe I used to own and the dealership said they pumped the steering column full of grease and it corrected the problem.

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moaning?  like power steering pump might be low on fluid?
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moaning?  like power steering pump might be low on fluid?

Well, it's hard to describe a sound in words.  I don't know what it sounds like when a power steering pump is low on fluid, though.

It kind of sounds like the sound you hear sometimes when you barely press your brakes and you get that low pitch moaning sound.

Man it's really hard to put sounds into written words.
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go out..

turn wheel all the way to one side and listen....

the noise you here is PS pump building pressure going over relief valve..
sound similar?
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No, that doesn't sound anything like it.  That sounds more like pressure being released, this is a low pitch moaning...maybe imagine a whale sound...but more "automotivey" sounding.
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No idea.... drive down here.... and give me a listen..... hehehe

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Replacing intermediat steering shaft
« Reply #43 on: 09/02/07 09:06 AM »

Has anyone done this repair? If so do you have a step by step instruction for it? I would like to do this myself if possible. The stealer wants $200.00 for the repair.

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Re: Replacing intermediat steering shaft
« Reply #44 on: 09/02/07 09:08 AM »

yes dougd did and posted a thread in this section.. with pics and instructions..

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Does anybody know if you replace the shaft is that a permanent fix? I ask because Summit Racing has a performance on for lifted vehicles and larger tires, it cost $227.00. Does anyone know what the stack one costs?

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The stocker is in the $70 range.  The $220 one is no better and suffers similar issues.
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OK, reading some more threads on here gave me a suggestion of a way to describe the sound it makes.  It sounds almost like a tugboat horn. 

I checked my power steering fluid today.  It was slightly low, so I added some to bring it up to the full mark.

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Lubed my shaft again today..Feels like a new 07  :A: I am good for another few thousand miles  :A:
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wakebdr, i get that same moaning noise when i turn my wheel usually when driving at slower speed and it has been doing this just bout the whole time iv had the truck. the intermediate shaft lubing and possibly puttin a new one in is a must very soon as ive been drivin way too long with that crappy clunkin noise and i might get the moaning issue addressed as well. lemme know if uve fixed this problem since... thanks

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Or a steering wheel locking pin


Why can't you rely on the column lock when you pull the key?
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my 03 does not have a column lock  :beating:
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Why can't you rely on the column lock when you pull the key?
no avy has steering lock..

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WOW, I did not know this. I have never tested it either. Why is it that they do not have it?
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WOW, I did not know this. I have never tested it either. Why is it that they do not have it?
I think Gm did away with steering lock on all vehicles..

as to why?

maybe costs..

no use...?
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Well I just did the change over. It went good except I did not turn the steering wheel so I could access the bolts easier. I never said I was the brightest person on this site. Once I figured out that it was pretty easy. I did apply a little grease to the shaft so I could get it back into the steering port. Thank you for the instructions. Now I am going to purchase the recharge kit and get the old one prepped for when this one goes out. The only tool you need is a 15MM socket for this job. Also be sure to remove the bolt side on the engines side and the nut side under the dash. This was the only issue I could see.

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Well I just did the change over. It went good except I did not turn the steering wheel so I could access the bolts easier. I never said I was the brightest person on this site. Once I figured out that it was pretty easy. I did apply a little grease to the shaft so I could get it back into the steering port. Thank you for the instructions. Now I am going to purchase the recharge kit and get the old one prepped for when this one goes out. The only tool you need is a 15MM socket for this job. Also be sure to remove the bolt side on the engines side and the nut side under the dash. This was the only issue I could see.

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OK now that i have driven with the new piece installed, all I can say is WOW. My steering feels just like it did when I purchased her. The noise is gone and the truck feels solid. Not bad for a 10 minute change.
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Doug, nice write-up.  I’m sure I need to do this but I refuse to listen for a problem…got enough of them.


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According to a GM dealership, they no longer offer the lubrication kit.   They did tell me that the intermediate steering shaft has been redesigned with a larger inner core to prevent the problems that have been occurring in the past.   I just replaced mine today for the second time in three years.   Only time will tell if the new replacement will hold up.   I purchased the new shaft for $70. 00.   It took me around 20-25 minutes to replace.
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Lubed my shaft again today..Feels like a new 07  :A: I am good for another few thousand miles  :A:

Is there a write-up/instructions for simply lubing the existing shaft?
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Is there a write-up/instructions for simply lubing the existing shaft?

Ummm......

Have you even LOOKED at the thread you just asked this in?
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Is there a write-up/instructions for simply lubing the existing shaft?

We used to brush white grease on the shaft and push it in on the GMT800 Silverado/Sierra HD. Pushed it in so it wouldn't catch on anything when they dropped the body on the engine/chassis.

When you glob enough white grease on and push it in some of the grease goes right up inside and stays. You'd still have to disconnect the lower part of the ISS under the hood so you could compress it, maybe add more white grease and repeat a few times, then reconnect it. Might work and would take little effort.
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Ummm......

Have you even LOOKED at the thread you just asked this in?

My apologies.  For some reason I thought the procedure detailed replacing the shaft with the new one.  Again, I apologize.

Now, since the lube kit is discontinued, what is everyone using the lube the shaft?  I've seen white grease mentioned so far, but nothing else.

Also, do you need jack stands to perform this procedure or will ramps suffice?
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You don't need either. Just open the hood and unbolt the bottom of the ISS. Then go up under the dash above the pedals and unbolt the top of the ISS. It is just that simple.
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The lube kit still exists in some dealer stocks.

I'm accumulating some that I can pass along to folks, as well as keeping a small private reserve.
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I went to remove my ISS yesterday just to see if I could load it up with some grease.  Wouldn't you know my cheap-o socket set doesn't even have a 15mm socket in it. >:(  Guess I'll ask my neighbor this evening if he has one.
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I think I'm officially giving up.  I borrowed a socket from my neighbor this afternoon and I can't even budge the freaking bolt.  I mean, I'm putting my whole body into and it won't move one bit.
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Try turning it the other way. :laugh: If it is that tight try spying it with some penetrating oil. Mine is an 02 with 120k on her and it was not very hard to remove mine.
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I don't have any penetrating oil, but I sprayed some WD-40 on it and tapped it with a hammer.  That worked for me before when the dealer put the oil drain plug back in with an impact wrench.
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Just put in a new ISS today and no more clunking. Steering feels great again also. I ordered from GMParts Direct and got the latest revision on the part. Pretty simple install and only cost about $60.
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Had the steering shaft greased once if and when it starts again, I'll just pay the 60 bucks and put in the new part.  Just my .02
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I think I'm officially giving up.  I borrowed a socket from my neighbor this afternoon and I can't even budge the freaking bolt.  I mean, I'm putting my whole body into and it won't move one bit.

What do you weigh? 100 Lbs  ???  :laugh:
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 :help: First thanks for the write up.  

 More details would have helped me a bit more though.    I am doing the swap to the new ISS right now and have hit a wall.   I cant get the old upper to come out of the lower shaft.   Yes, both 15mm are removed but it seems to not wanna "let go" of the lower or vice versa.    Is there a trick to this? :E:
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« Reply #75 on: 12/20/07 09:26 AM »

What is the deal? Is there a trick to removing the upper Intermediate Steering Shaft from the lower SS?
I need help.  

Linky ----->hxxp: www.  chevyavalanchefanclub.  com/cafcna/index.  php/topic,87800.  60.  html
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« Reply #76 on: 12/20/07 09:41 AM »

Nope.  Although it'd make more sense to have actually posted in that thread.

Remove the top end as well and then work to pull it towards the interior.
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Well, I have pulled. . .  from both sides, in and out. The prob of pulling from inside (under dash) is the shaft only expands.   There is not enough room to pull out from the lower shaft.   :E:
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Well, I have pulled. . . from both sides, in and out. The prob of pulling from inside (under dash) is the shaft only expands. There is not enough room to pull out from the lower shaft. :E:

If it's that bound up, then hit the lower end with some penetrating oil - I can't recomment PB Blaster highly enough.
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I finally got the new ISS installed and now I am glad I did.  After I installed it this morning and running errands this afternoon the avalanche drives like new!

I did have issues trying to remove the upper from the lower. . . murphy's law.  But now that it is in and driving like new I can say that this is well worth it.
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What do you weigh? 100 Lbs  ???  :laugh:

forgot about this thread for a while.

 ;D  Actually I weight 220 and couldn't budge that thing one bit.
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Quote from: wakebdr link=topic=93023.  msg1472133#msg1472133 date=1198264714
forgot about this thread for a while.  

 ;D  Actually I weight 220 and couldn't budge that thing one bit.  

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I got some PB Blaster yesterday so I'll give it a shot over the next couple of days.
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Is there a difference in the shafts for a 2005 and a 2006?I couldn't get the part to come up on GM Parts Direct for the 2005 but it did for the 2006.Just want to be sure before I spend 60 bucks on something I can't use.
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No difference that I'm aware of, from 02-06
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I finally got my ISS out the other day and lubed it up.  I spent about 20 minutes or so slathering grease on it and working the shaft out to spread the grease.  It feels better now, but I may still order the replacement shaft.  However, I think a new instrument cluster has priority over the ISS right now.
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Well I haven't even owned mine for a week and think I've been bitten by this Intermediate Shaft bug.

Felt it on the way home, thinking something might not of been greased, but did that, then found this site and there you have it.

Dealer I bought it from has a warranty, but its over 100 miles one way, plus its a dodge dealer, so I hate to drive that far for them to check it, then have to go back for them to order the part so on so on.

So I guess I probably  should order one from gm direct for 66 and save myself the trouble.

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After reading your very informative post on how to grease the shaft I decided to contact GM since my vehicle is out of warranty.   I was told that they had a fix for it by replacing it with a different shaft.   Since mine had been greased once during warranty by the dealer that they should replace it without cost.   They did it today.   You may also qualify.
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Well I ordered one of these yesterday, well see how it goes.
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I installed the ISS from rockauto.com on saturday and I'm happy, no more shaking of rattle.

Thanks jimbo for the link, saved me some $$.

Lord knows I need it, gas guage is low. :E:
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dorman is known for issueing"problem solver" parts. i will bet this will be the end of your noise. i ordered one as well.
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Re: 1204907
« Reply #94 on: 02/24/08 03:08 PM »

I have an 04 avi z66 ultimate edition with 67000 miles on it im having the same problem with the steering and the clunking noise i kno its not still under warranty but wit the TSB is the dealership still obligated to replace it with the newer design
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« Reply #95 on: 02/25/08 06:41 AM »

I have an 04 avi z66 ultimate edition with 67000 miles on it im having the same problem with the steering and the clunking noise i kno its not still under warranty but wit the TSB is the dealership still obligated to replace it with the newer design

This is kind of a popular question with alot of different answers.

What I've learned is, if your the orginal owner chances are pretty good that you can get it replaced from the dealer.

If your the 2nd owner (like I am) chances are your going to have to suck it up and pay for it.

But by all means call your dealer and ask, worst they can say is no.
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I just replaced my rattling part (15000 miles) on a Z66 and bought  its replacement version  from GM  Parts Direct for about $55.00 and changed it myself in about 45 minutes--Lock down the steering wheel with bungee cord, remove the gas pedal  using ( 1/4 inch drive and extension) (adjustable pedals here)  I am more satisified by doing it myself!   You can do it too!!! Also got rid of the rattles through the steering wheel- Thought it was my Hotchkis bars for a minute there... ::)

We are not alone hundreds of thousands of trucks like this platform are getting them done!
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also another good tip to getting the shaft out is to remove the boot on the firewall it has 3 aluminum type nuts thats it. pull the whole thing out(of course after unboltiing the bolts on the shaft) slide the new shaft in the boot and install it saved me time from having to undo the electric pedals...
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ntermediate shaft P/N 19153614 has been designed to replace previous designed dampened and non-dampened Intermediate shafts.

that is the part i ordered from gm parts direct, so i do not need to lube this before i install. i will be trying this in the morning possibly, so any last minute hints or tips would be appreciated. so is this down in the engine bay or upper part toward the firewall ?
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Just read the thread, and utilize the removal & installation portions - the lube is what you won't be doing.  It's all there.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #100 on: 03/15/08 08:09 AM »

O/K, I have the lube kit and looking at my 03 Z71 I don't see how you lube this, unless once off / apart it is obvious.

The reason I mention this is at the same time I do this lube I am doing the power steering sensor, hope that name is right.  GM # 26104070.  I don't have the clunk in my steering, the lube is just a precaution, but I do have the steering pulling left & right at times, like you are getting into ruts in the road, I am told that problem is this sensor going bad.  It is supposed to go at the base of the shaft in the interior, so figured I would do the lube & sensor at the same time.

Any thoughts / opinions on this?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #101 on: 03/15/08 04:09 PM »

O/K, I have the lube kit and looking at my 03 Z71 I don't see how you lube this, unless once off / apart it is obvious.

The reason I mention this is at the same time I do this lube I am doing the power steering sensor, hope that name is right.  GM # 26104070.  I don't have the clunk in my steering, the lube is just a precaution, but I do have the steering pulling left & right at times, like you are getting into ruts in the road, I am told that problem is this sensor going bad.  It is supposed to go at the base of the shaft in the interior, so figured I would do the lube & sensor at the same time.

Any thoughts / opinions on this?

Have you even LOOKED at this thread?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #102 on: 03/15/08 05:12 PM »

Have you even LOOKED at this thread?

Yes, I have LOOKED, my point was the steering sensor may be part of the odd feel in the steering, maybe the lube + the steering sensor is a good combination to do all at the same time.

So, I do appreciate your post / pictures, but "Have you LOOKED at my post"?  ::) :P :wave:
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« Reply #103 on: 03/15/08 05:56 PM »

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O/K, I have the lube kit and looking at my 03 Z71 I don't see how you lube this, unless once off / apart it is obvious.

Yes, I have LOOKED, my point was the steering sensor may be part of the odd feel in the steering, maybe the lube + the steering sensor is a good combination to do all at the same time.

So, I do appreciate your post / pictures, but "Have you LOOKED at my post"?  ::) :P :wave:

Wanna re-read this vital part of YOUR post?  "Gee, umm...how do I lube the shaft"  There are detailed pictures in the thread, so I'm thinking you DIDN'T look at it.

Either that, or your wording needs some review.
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« Reply #104 on: 03/15/08 08:26 PM »

does the steering wheel need to be in any certain position before i start undoing bolts to it?
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« Reply #105 on: 03/15/08 08:31 PM »

does the steering wheel need to be in any certain position before i start undoing bolts to it?

Have the tires straight.  Use the seatbelt or a steering wheel locking pin to keep it from moving.
Wrapping the seatbelt around the steering will should be sufficient.
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« Reply #106 on: 03/15/08 09:33 PM »

i used the seatbelt it worked fine...although i dont know if you would need an alignment afterwards....and about the sensor, i wasnt told anything of this from the dealership all they said was about the shaft itself...and plus i always follow my motto  "if its not broke dont fix it..."
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« Reply #107 on: 03/15/08 11:09 PM »

i was just curious about the steering wheel, because with them straight, it seems harder to get to the bolt under the dash. thanks guys.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #108 on: 03/16/08 05:01 AM »

Wanna re-read this vital part of YOUR post?  "Gee, umm...how do I lube the shaft"  There are detailed pictures in the thread, so I'm thinking you DIDN'T look at it.

Either that, or your wording needs some review.

Oh well, not to be a PITA here, but you left out my words "unless once apart it is obvious".  I meant in looking at the shaft while still on the truck I did not see an obvious lube point, so I asked what I thought was a simple question.  Your pictures are clear and very helpful, and since some have questioned about some trucks maybe having a different shaft I was trying to make sure before pulling the shaft off.

Have a good day & thanks for the helpful post.
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« Reply #109 on: 03/16/08 06:08 AM »

Oh well, not to be a PITA here, but you left out my words "unless once apart it is obvious".  I meant in looking at the shaft while still on the truck I did not see an obvious lube point, so I asked what I thought was a simple question.  Your pictures are clear and very helpful, and since some have questioned about some trucks maybe having a different shaft I was trying to make sure before pulling the shaft off.

Have a good day & thanks for the helpful post.

And again, had you READ the thread, LOOKED at the pictures, and even looked at the instructions in your kit, you'd see EXACTLY how to lube it - nothing that's not obvious in the process.

The instructions and thread detail how to lube the shaft, there should be no "gray area" about looking for some external lube point on the shaft ::)
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« Reply #110 on: 03/16/08 07:04 AM »

i was just curious about the steering wheel, because with them straight, it seems harder to get to the bolt under the dash. thanks guys.

Remove the underhood bolt.  Remove the acelerator pedal assembly if applicable- as mentioned, a 1/4" drive with long extension and a universal joint makes this easy.  Then find the best position to work on the inner end and lock the wheel in that position.  It's just important that the wheel is not turned once the shaft is removed.  Slide the shaft toward the firewall to remove the inner end from the steering column.  Then pull the shaft through the firewall into the vehicle.
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« Reply #111 on: 03/16/08 11:47 AM »

just got done replacing it. was nothing to it. thanks guys for you help and answering all my questions. cant tell any diff right now. all my popping seems to come in the morning after it sets for a while, almost like it has to get cold or cooler for a while. i say i should know if it was fixed in a few days. so with the iss that i replaced, what is it about it or on it that usually starts popping? thanks again guys.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #112 on: 03/16/08 05:07 PM »

Popping isn't the ISS, it's a body mount issue.  Search for popping and turning
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« Reply #113 on: 03/16/08 06:11 PM »

thats why i asked in my thread, and i got told several diff things by a copule of people and others who just wanna holler use the search button. that is why peole search and ask or vise versa. to check and double check before they waste their time and maoney like i apparently have. so how difficult is it to do the body mount?
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« Reply #114 on: 03/16/08 06:32 PM »

I just left my steering wheel alone, I found it was easier to remove the ISS if the steering wheel was free to move about. Just remember to look at the steering wheel to make sure it is straight when you line up the new ISS.
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« Reply #115 on: 03/18/08 09:25 AM »

This is kind of a popular question with alot of different answers.

What I've learned is, if your the orginal owner chances are pretty good that you can get it replaced from the dealer.

If your the 2nd owner (like I am) chances are your going to have to suck it up and pay for it.

But by all means call your dealer and ask, worst they can say is no.
  Wanted to give an update on what dealers may do regarding this issue:

Took mine to local dealer that I use for service in Northern Kentucky, and when I dropped it off I noted the TSB number along with the steering problem. When I called back they said they took care of the issue because GM was now covering that repair up to 60,000 miles. Take that for what it's worth. Oh, and I am the original ownder. Av has 32,000 miles and is an '04 Z66.

On a side note, I want to thank every one here for their constant source of information. As a collective, this is one fantastic little society. It's good to know that I have a single source to reference when I have an issue. Thanks to all. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #116 on: 03/18/08 01:02 PM »

Thanks for the update.

Glad yours got fixed and now your cruising with out the dreaded CLUNK!
 :thumbsup:

  Wanted to give an update on what dealers may do regarding this issue:

Took mine to local dealer that I use for service in Northern Kentucky, and when I dropped it off I noted the TSB number along with the steering problem. When I called back they said they took care of the issue because GM was now covering that repair up to 60,000 miles. Take that for what it's worth. Oh, and I am the original ownder. Av has 32,000 miles and is an '04 Z66.

On a side note, I want to thank every one here for their constant source of information. As a collective, this is one fantastic little society. It's good to know that I have a single source to reference when I have an issue. Thanks to all. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #117 on: 03/18/08 02:57 PM »

Glad to know you have a dealer who gives a dam. My local dealer sent me a free Lube, Oil and Filter for flat out lying to me about my tailgate latch. I think that is a bunch of crap. If they wanted to get mt business they should have offered to do my Gatorback or a tranny filter change. I traded my LOF to my hair cut person for a couple free hair cuts.
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« Reply #118 on: 03/21/08 07:58 PM »

well i drove the av today and turning out of my driveway, i heard the popping again. so what should my next step be? thanks...
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« Reply #119 on: 03/21/08 08:14 PM »

well i drove the av today and turning out of my driveway, i heard the popping again. so what should my next step be? thanks...

When was the last time you lubed the front end? Also check you shock mounts, you could have a broken bushing. It is basically time to get the front of the Av up on stands and have a looks see. I know when I lubed my chassis after doing the ISS it felt a whole lot better and solid.

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« Reply #120 on: 03/21/08 08:18 PM »

i havent lubed the front end. i am guessing the guys at the oil change place might have done it though whn i went in about 3 or 4 weeks ago. do they usually lube that when doing oil change?
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« Reply #121 on: 03/21/08 08:38 PM »

There are several possibilities.  Did you do a search on this site for "popping". 

Your steering shaft would have had to be replaced sooner or later.
Everyone got the bad shafts.  At least that is out of the way now.
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« Reply #122 on: 03/21/08 08:55 PM »

i haven't lubed the front end. i am guessing the guys at the oil change place might have done it though when i went in about 3 or 4 weeks ago. do they usually lube that when doing oil change?

The answer to your question is NO. They do as little as they have to. They will charge you for it because you will never look to verify.
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« Reply #123 on: 03/21/08 09:07 PM »

so next time i go i need to make sure to tell them to lube the front end?
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« Reply #124 on: 03/22/08 05:47 AM »

well i drove the av today and turning out of my driveway, i heard the popping again. so what should my next step be? thanks...

It should be , as suggested
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« Reply #125 on: 03/22/08 11:35 AM »

and again i ask..........................
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« Reply #126 on: 03/22/08 12:02 PM »

Do you also ask for someone to cut your food for you?

The search button doesn't suck, apparently it's just beyond you.

Click it, and unselect all boards except this one.  Then put the terms popping noise in there and you should see more than enough answers without someone having to constantly reinvent the wheel and answer the same thing over and over and over again.
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« Reply #127 on: 03/22/08 12:04 PM »

I just followed my own advice, and it's amazing - 5 pages of threads, most of which are actually titled "popping noise" or have that in their topic.

ALL of which have your answers.
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« Reply #128 on: 03/22/08 12:09 PM »

like i said, we all dont have the time to read through all the threads, some of us have things to do. and it is not beyond me, searches suck in all forums. i just appreciate the guys who actually try to help. thanks. will you come cut my food for me???????????????? i have done the popping noise search too. and i see it come up with like 3 possibilities for a solution. why i keep asking is so i wont waste my money like i did on the iss which was one of the suggestions. i ask to see if someone else did it and then found the next thing to work. thanks for your concern though, i will be directing my questions to the other guys from now on.
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« Reply #129 on: 03/22/08 12:16 PM »

like i said, we all dont have the time to read through all the threads, some of us have things to do. and it is not beyond me, searches suck in all forums. i just appreciate the guys who actually try to help. thanks. will you come cut my food for me???????????????? i have done the popping noise search too. and i see it come up with like 3 possibilities for a solution. why i keep asking is so i wont waste my money like i did on the iss which was one of the suggestions. i ask to see if someone else did it and then found the next thing to work. thanks for your concern though, i will be directing my questions to the other guys from now on.

You really just don't get it.

Your problem is body mounts and/or crossmember.  Reading the search results WILL explain that and what has been done in most cases to solve it.

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« Reply #130 on: 03/22/08 12:24 PM »

okie dokie................
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« Reply #131 on: 03/29/08 02:34 PM »

Just had my intermediate steering shaft changed out....this is an upgrade to the lube job previously offered.
Truck steers even sharper now....zero slop.
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« Reply #132 on: 04/03/08 11:57 AM »

Great write up Doug!  Howz everyone in Florida doing? 
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« Reply #133 on: 04/09/08 06:21 AM »

I have a 2002 with 100,000 miles, still going strong.  About four months ago my dealer replaced the old shaft with the new part and I've had zero problems since.  One more thing: it cost me nothing because they covered as a "goodwill warranty" as a known defect (but not a recall).  It might be worth a shot for those that haven't already replaced it or keep lubricating the old one over and over.
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« Reply #134 on: 04/10/08 02:09 PM »

Installed my replacement shaft today, and man does the ole' girl feel new.  Firm, tight, crisp, ararararrarrarhhhhh.....Sorry got excited for a moment..lol

Doug thanks for the write-up, great help.

BTW remove the boot on the fire wall and it's easy as pie.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #135 on: 04/10/08 06:00 PM »

Installed my replacement shaft today, and man does the ole' girl feel new.  Firm, tight, crisp,

BTW remove the boot on the fire wall and it's easy as pie.

Three 10mm nuts on the boot, waste of time to remove it, sorry if you don't agree IJDM

you can use vasoline or grease on the shaft to make it slip thru the boot easy
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« Reply #136 on: 04/10/08 07:43 PM »

Three 10mm nuts on the boot, waste of time to remove it, sorry if you don't agree IJDM

you can use vasoline or grease on the shaft to make it slip thru the boot easy

Family board here..lol   :kidding:

Guess that would have worked well also.
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« Reply #137 on: 04/17/08 03:59 PM »

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« Reply #138 on: 07/30/08 04:18 PM »

If this is a cheap fix then I wanna do this. I have mostly ignored/gotten used to this and after ridding in my mothers 04 suburban which she got her ISS replaced I have been thinking of this. So should I replaced or lube it? Mines an 02 Z71 with 167k.
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« Reply #139 on: 07/30/08 04:22 PM »

If this is a cheap fix then I wanna do this. I have mostly ignored/gotten used to this and after ridding in my mothers 04 suburban which she got her ISS replaced I have been thinking of this. So should I replaced or lube it? Mines an 02 Z71 with 167k.

I just recently did this on my 04 and it was not too bad at all. The hardest part for me was getting the pedal assembly off for better access (I have power pedals). The part cost about $60 shipped and probably took my about 45-60 minutes to install.

Big difference after replacing it as well.
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« Reply #140 on: 07/30/08 06:47 PM »

I just recently did this on my 04 and it was not too bad at all. The hardest part for me was getting the pedal assembly off for better access (I have power pedals). The part cost about $60 shipped and probably took my about 45-60 minutes to install.

Big difference after replacing it as well.

45-60?  Better have involved a lot of beer and TV in there :)
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« Reply #141 on: 07/31/08 05:59 AM »

45-60?  Better have involved a lot of beer and TV in there :)

Ha, the bolts were all on there pretty good and it was hard to fit tools in there. I also tried getting the pedal assembly off without a universal joint and when I tried to put it back on I finally gave up and ran to autozone and bought a universal joint.
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« Reply #142 on: 07/31/08 02:58 PM »

When my new one goes out I am thinking of going with the Doorman, it sounds better then the OEM. I have had the replacement OEM in for about 40k now and no issues at all. I would recommend changing over lubing, to me if you are going thru all the work anyways, just stick the new part in there.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #143 on: 07/31/08 06:12 PM »

Can someone tell me some of the symptoms because it think this might be some of by steering problems
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #144 on: 08/04/08 08:51 PM »

silly question, but what is the reason that you have to do this? I just got a squeking noise when I turn the wheel.  Is that what you have to do to make that go away?

thank Doug for the write up and pics, very nice :thumbsup:

Hey Matt, mines doing the same on occasion, so I think that's the beginning of it , right Doug??
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« Reply #145 on: 08/05/08 03:55 AM »

posting just to bookmark this for me, I'm gonna do mine one of these days.
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« Reply #146 on: 08/10/08 09:42 PM »

Just installed my new ISS from GMPARTSDIRECT.  The creaking I experienced when turning the wheel is gone!!!  Thanks Doug for the OP - it was very helpful.

Problems I experienced:  the new shaft was slightly larger than the old one or possibly the lower shaft was slightly deformed from the compression of the bolt, I dunno, but whatever the reason I had a heck of a time getting the new shaft to slip inside the lower shaft.  Finally had to grip the ISS just above the taper with Channel-Locks and hit the pliers with a hammer (lightly) to seat it and get the bolt holes to align.

Also the old shaft has splines and was well greased - it did not appear to have any slop or kinking in the universal joint so I am at a loss as to what is actually wrong with it that would cause that horrible noise...anyone know what the defect is exactly?

Thanks again for Doug's and everyone else's posts on this topic.

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« Reply #147 on: 08/11/08 08:46 AM »

I'm replacing mine tomorrow, but I have 2 questions... :help:

1. Do I have to remove the "boot off of the firewall that the shaft goes through????

2. Can I just pull the shaft through the boot once the shaft is disconected???? (which way? toward the engine or toward the inside of truck???)

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« Reply #148 on: 08/11/08 10:21 AM »

I did not remove the boot from the firewall.  Once the bolts have been removed and the ISS is slid up and out of the female portion of the lower shaft you can tilt the ISS horizontal and pull it through the boot from under the dash (into the cabin).

Note: as with installation of the new one, mine was tight and I had to force it out with a flat screwdriver held against the taper in the shaft.  After a couple taps from a hammer it fell free.

Good luck...
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« Reply #149 on: 08/11/08 10:49 AM »

Mine was replaced a bit over a year ago by GM in my '03 Tahoe...supposedly with the new and improved shaft-after having been replaced a year or so before that as well.  However, it's back to it's old shenanigans...
(had same issues with '02)

I'm going to have to learn how to deal with this, so I'll be perusing this thread to learn how to 'lube' the shaft...

Geez that sounds so bad!
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« Reply #150 on: 08/11/08 11:22 AM »

My thought is since you have to remove shaft to lube it you might as well buy the replacement and put a new one back in...they are not that expensive - $64 incl. shipping from GMPARTSDIRECT.COM

It wouldn't kill me to have to address this issue every 1-2 years.  I hope it is a permanent fix but if not I'll just order a new one and get my hands dirty again...

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« Reply #151 on: 08/11/08 11:58 AM »

Well, since I have no tools right now, I think I'll have to do the easy way first and then replace once I get moved...  But I definately plan to try this on my own...my daddy didn't raise no prima donna!
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« Reply #152 on: 08/11/08 12:05 PM »

Well, since I have no tools right now, I think I'll have to do the easy way first and then replace once I get moved...  But I definately plan to try this on my own...my daddy didn't raise no prima donna!

You will have to remove the shaft to lube it.  So the same tools will be required.  :)
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« Reply #153 on: 08/11/08 12:10 PM »

Well, that puts a kink in things...

Our mechanic friend said that all it took was loosening a bolt to lube it...again I've NOT read through this thread yet...it may have to wait until my Labor Day trip down home...
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« Reply #154 on: 08/11/08 12:50 PM »

Well, that puts a kink in things...

Our mechanic friend said that all it took was loosening a bolt to lube it...again I've NOT read through this thread yet...it may have to wait until my Labor Day trip down home...

Depending on where you are at you might get a member to help at a GTG. I know us Idaho and Utah folks, are always working with eachother on mods.
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Depending on where you are at you might get a member to help at a GTG. I know us Idaho and Utah folks, are always working with eachother on mods.
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« Reply #156 on: 08/11/08 10:51 PM »

FYI: I just read through the receipts I have on my truck from dealer visits and it appears the ISS was "fixed" with the lube kit twice before so it's doubtful that the lube job will do much more than delay the inevitable.
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« Reply #157 on: 08/12/08 04:00 AM »

FYI: I just read through the receipts I have on my truck from dealer visits and it appears the ISS was "fixed" with the lube kit twice before so it's doubtful that the lube job will do much more than delay the inevitable.

As does the new shaft
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« Reply #158 on: 08/24/08 10:18 AM »

I just did my steering sheft, instead of taking the pedals out you can just take the three screws off the outer boot on the  firewall and the shaft can come out that way (easier) on that note Doug great pics it definetly helped. Thanks ...  :thumbsup:   Frankie#7
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #159 on: 09/13/08 08:39 AM »

I just ordered a shaft from RockAuto yesterday afternoon and it arrived this morning! That's what I call service!
Looking through this thread I didn't see any mention of torque specs(maybe I missed them) and are you guys using locktite on the bolts?
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« Reply #160 on: 09/13/08 08:50 AM »

I just ordered a shaft from RockAuto yesterday afternoon and it arrived this morning! That's what I call service!
Looking through this thread I didn't see any mention of torque specs(maybe I missed them) and are you guys using locktite on the bolts?
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« Reply #161 on: 09/13/08 08:56 AM »

Thanks! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #162 on: 09/13/08 01:52 PM »

I'd like to thank the original poster of this thread for the excellent pictures and instructions.

I just did mine today!
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« Reply #163 on: 09/13/08 02:49 PM »

I'd like to thank the original poster of this thread for the excellent pictures and instructions.

I just did mine today!

Thanks Doug!!   :thumbsup:

Couldn't have got mine fixed without this info!

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« Reply #164 on: 09/20/08 08:39 AM »

It's all quite under the dash now! But it sure didn't seem like there was any thing wrong with the old one once I took it out, it didn't rattle or make any noise  ??? Oh well it's quite now :thumbsup:
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« Reply #165 on: 10/02/08 07:49 AM »

Had my dealer lube job done a 30k miles, now at 76k miles the knick/rattle is back again.

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« Reply #166 on: 10/16/08 04:47 PM »

great info Doug, thanks much!
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« Reply #167 on: 10/19/08 10:37 PM »

Thanks Doug for an exceptional write up and great pictures.  I recently had the dreaded steering clunk return on my 04 Avalanche (now at 37K miles).  When the steering clunk initially appeared, the dealer lubed the steering shaft (under warranty) in 12/06 (29K miles) and it was fine until about a month ago.

After reading TBS #00-02-35-003M describing the replacement of the ISS (to resolve the clunk noise), I was somewhat reluctant to tackle this job myself.  But after reading your great write-up - no problemo!

I will try to first try to have Chevy do it on their dime, if not I'll do it myself.  The problem is local car dealers, including my favorite Chevy dealer, have closed down due to the economy and Wall Street debacle.  And I hate to take my AV to someone I don't know or trust.  So having the option to do it myself is a big comfort.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #168 on: 10/31/08 05:28 AM »

I have lubed mine twice in 107K. I just replaced the ISS in my Olds Aurora with 56K on her. It was done twice before by the previous owner by GM but both times previous to 06 when they came out with a revised shaft. Now I have the new unit. Both vehicles are relatively easy to change them and will replace the AV with a new one when it happens again  :A:

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« Reply #169 on: 12/29/08 01:26 PM »

Hi all I tried today to remove it and I had no luck I took off gas pedal bracket and I couldnt get the shaft out either way it would come up so far and then jam against steering colar with the plastic ring on it (under dash). The end inside the motor is kinda rusty where the bolt is. It looked like the shaft part inside the tube was going to come out and thats it.Put it back together and will try another time why couldnt GM put a damm grease fitting on the tube part and then all we would have to do is grease it externally? Any help would be great thanks guys :thumbdown:
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« Reply #170 on: 12/29/08 01:52 PM »

I have lubed mine twice in 107K. I just replaced the ISS in my Olds Aurora with 56K on her. It was done twice before by the previous owner by GM but both times previous to 06 when they came out with a revised shaft. Now I have the new unit. Both vehicles are relatively easy to change them and will replace the AV with a new one when it happens again  :A:

In fact the Aurora was easier, no power pedals in the way  :A:
Not what I wanted to hear. I changed the ISS in my 95 Auroura and thought it was a PITA  :P
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« Reply #171 on: 12/29/08 04:46 PM »

Not what I wanted to hear. I changed the ISS in my 95 Auroura and thought it was a PITA  :P

I expected it to be a PITA compared to the AV but it was not. With the drivers wheel off and a long extension the bolt was easy to get to. And from the inside even easier to remove the bolt and pull the shaft out. Hopefully with the new design I wont have to do it again, at least not on the Aurora  :A:
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« Reply #172 on: 12/29/08 04:51 PM »

I just had a hard time squeezing under the steering wheel. At least the avy seems like it's got more room.
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« Reply #173 on: 01/13/09 12:57 PM »

I just got my updated ISS from gmpartsdirect and looking at it it doesnt seem very well greased. There is no grease ring when compressing it and decompressing and not much grease if you touch the shaft portion that should have grease. Should i just put it in a see what happens or do i need to grease this thing first?
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« Reply #174 on: 01/13/09 01:06 PM »

Put it in.
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« Reply #175 on: 01/13/09 01:15 PM »

Thanks for the quick response leaving the computer to do it right now. back in 15.
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« Reply #176 on: 01/13/09 01:33 PM »

If you are having trouble getting the shaft out try making sure it is compressed all the way when bringing thru the steering hole. I did mine in about 15 minutes and did not need to remove my gas pedal. Make sure you did not miss anything in the Awesome pictures posted previously. I have got pretty good at fixing my own Av. The Fuel pump was easy, once I got the nerve up to cut the AV. It made it a lot easier then dropping the tank. My Av has not been to a shop about 3 years.
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« Reply #177 on: 01/13/09 01:47 PM »

shanes you may be able to respond to this one since you have a 2002 as well but in the picture pedal 3/4 in my truck it looks like the ISS is closer to that metal bracket than it is in the picture in a 03+. I cant really get a wrench back in there in between the channel of the metal brace if that makes sense also the other side of the bolt is about a 12mm and is a 12 sided nut which cannot be used to unbolt because it will just strip the nut.
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« Reply #178 on: 01/13/09 02:35 PM »

Ok i had the steering wheel locked with the seat belt strait ahead which made the upper bolt facing away from me. Just turn the wheel 180 lock it in and wow what do you know the bolt is now accessible. DUH ::)
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« Reply #179 on: 01/13/09 02:38 PM »

I was just going to post that. I had the exact same issue. then I went to get up and the steering wheel turned. I felt quit dumb at that moment. Also the steering wheel does not lock in an 02.
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« Reply #180 on: 06/07/09 09:07 PM »

Outstanding write up and instructions  :thumbsup:.

After reading this thread I decided I would do a replacement instead of repacking.

I have the power pedals and would suggest removing the boot on the firewall and raising the pedals all the way up for easier (at least for me) removal and installation.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #181 on: 06/09/09 12:57 PM »

Awesome post!  :thumbsup:  Thanks for the tips! I installed mine today. You can get the aftermarket ISS for $120 at NAPA Canada. Don't bother with GM Parts Direct...what a rip off...$165 for us Canucks.

I definitely recommend taking the boot off of the firewall. It would have been impossible to wiggle that sucker out of there if I hadn't. It also makes taking the ISS out of the vehilcle easier (straight out from under the hood instead of through the firewall and into the cab.

I bought this 2004 Av a few weeks ago. I noticed as I took the old ISS out that it has been relubricated a number of times. White grease all over the dang place. Hopefully this aftermarket one holds up better.

Thanks again for the tips and photos. This is an awesome sight. Saved me about $100!

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #182 on: 06/09/09 02:38 PM »

I lubed mine twice. If the problem returns again I will replace it  :D

I replaced the ISS on my Olds and it feels like a new car  :A:
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« Reply #183 on: 06/09/09 04:36 PM »

Finally had my noisy intermediate steering shaft replaced by a GM dealer with the new (updated) shaft.  We split the part/labor cost - they paid half, I paid half.  Drives like new now.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #184 on: 06/22/09 10:19 AM »

Just purchased a 2004 z71 in great shape but I am pretty sure it needs a steering shaft. Previous owners said the dealer greased it once.

I called the dealer here in Canada where I live and they told me 365 CAD bucks for the shaft. I cant believe that. Is this really what they cost at the dealer?

Just ordered the Dorman part locally for 120 bucks CAD.

This is the part I ordered = DORMAN Part # 425176 - hope it is the right one
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« Reply #185 on: 06/24/09 10:15 AM »

Just purchased a 2004 z71 in great shape but I am pretty sure it needs a steering shaft. Previous owners said the dealer greased it once.

I called the dealer here in Canada where I live and they told me 365 CAD bucks for the shaft. I cant believe that. Is this really what they cost at the dealer?

Just ordered the Dorman part locally for 120 bucks CAD.

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« Reply #186 on: 06/24/09 02:23 PM »

The way you'll know is as your driving it is making a knocking sound that seems to reverberate through the steering wheel :cool: Once it's changed it is like a brand new truck.#7

Yes that is what is does. Also has a little squeak somewhere. Notice it just driving whenever hit a bump or roll in the road. I am thing Shocks.
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« Reply #187 on: 06/25/09 03:42 PM »

Wow what that ever easy! Replaced to day with Dorman one - http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/prt,42,425176

Took me about 20 minutes. Was easy. I have the power pedals so instead of undoing them I took the firewall boot off from the outside 3 small easy to get off 10mm nuts and the whole shaft comes out into the engine side.

Now the steering wheel is solid and that little clunking problem is gone. Drives like a new truck. I would never of know this without this forum! Thanks so much!

Still have a little squeak somewhere in the front end. Original Shocks, 2004 with 113,000KM (70,000 Miles) So maybe those are the culprit.

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« Reply #188 on: 06/25/09 07:26 PM »

Makes a big difference doesn't it Kamloops? Now just think what you would have spent getting a mechanic to do it!
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« Reply #189 on: 06/25/09 07:30 PM »

I did mine about 30k ago and it is such a good feeling. the shop would have cost way to much.I changed my knock Sensors also, the dealer wanted over $600.00. I bought the parts and did it myself in about 4 hours. I save a lot of money doing work myself.

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« Reply #190 on: 07/04/09 11:51 AM »

Does the newly designed replacement shaft need to be lubed? I read in another post that it does not but looking at the instructional photos in the first post (thanks BTW) it shows a pic of the replacement shaft being lubed. Confused? Thanks!
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« Reply #191 on: 07/04/09 12:45 PM »

Ummmmm.......there's no "new" shaft in the first post.
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« Reply #192 on: 07/04/09 01:15 PM »

The new one is just a plug and play. Pull the old one out and install the new one. It is just that simple. You will love the way it feels.
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« Reply #193 on: 07/12/09 03:58 PM »

Wow what that ever easy! Replaced to day with Dorman one - http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/prt,42,425176

Took me about 20 minutes. Was easy. I have the power pedals so instead of undoing them I took the firewall boot off from the outside 3 small easy to get off 10mm nuts and the whole shaft comes out into the engine side.

Now the steering wheel is solid and that little clunking problem is gone. Drives like a new truck. I would never of know this without this forum! Thanks so much!

Still have a little squeak somewhere in the front end. Original Shocks, 2004 with 113,000KM (70,000 Miles) So maybe those are the culprit.

Man is the steering sweet now!

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Replaced with Dorman 425176. Mine has ~ 60K mi.
Boot nuts are definitely the way to go. Messing w/ the power pedals takes longer & is a PITA.
Only issue I had was that the dealer (apparently in an effort to solve my clunking complaints) has crankled hard on the engine compartment side bolt. Made it really hard to get old shaft out & new one in. Had to do the 'hit the vicegrips w/a hammer technique'.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #194 on: 07/27/09 03:30 PM »

I had a shop tell me that they solved this by filling the shaft with RTV silicone and they have never had a problem. I guess the silicone cushions the shaft and stops the rattle.
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« Reply #195 on: 07/27/09 03:58 PM »

It sounds like snake oil to me, putting Silicone in a grease slot does not sound logical, but hey I could be wrong.
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« Reply #196 on: 10/28/09 10:18 AM »

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Ok, Ive read almost this entire thread, Great DIY Instructs doug!!

My problem isnt a clunk, its a squeal noise in the cold mornings when I turn the steering wheel. It lasts until the truck is warmed up.

I tried shooting some WD-40 where the ISS goes thru the Firewall from the Cabin-side and the sound is still there.

Anyone ever had this sound?

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« Reply #197 on: 10/28/09 11:30 AM »

That would most likely be your Power steering pump. Check your fluid leve.
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« Reply #198 on: 10/28/09 11:53 AM »

This is for sure inside the cabin. Ive done power steering pumps before.

This sound is definitely coming from under the dash, its not the horrible loud power steering sound...I know that sound all to well. Opening the hood and turning the steering wheel produces no sound from the PS pump.

Basically, this sound is just irritaing, and sounds like if rubber is rubbing against metal. If I have the radio on at low levels you cant hear it. Its not that loud, its just irritating.

Im certain its a gromet or bushing for the Intermediate shaft, the boot thru the FW, or inside the tilt...

Just hoping someone else has had it, so I dont have to pull the entire unti out. But trust me..if needs be, I will do that too.

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« Reply #199 on: 10/29/09 01:41 AM »

Last week I put a 3/4 of a tube of clear rtv silicone in the intermediate steering shaft instead of greasing it. I had replaced the old steering shaft with the new redesigned shaft and less than a year later it started the same dang clunking noise and the steering felt loose almost like a bad ball joint or bad inner tie rod. The silicone has quieted the noise and the steering is solid as a rock!!! Honestly it feels just like it did when I drove it off the lot new. Give this a try. It's a good fix. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #200 on: 10/29/09 09:41 AM »

The only thing with doing the Silicone RTV is that if it bonds to both the inner and outer ISS shafts, it wont allow the up-down play needed for going over large bumps, rocks, pot holes etc etc.

So, rather than the shaft compressing, it will try to shove the steering wheel up, possibly damaging the dash and/or the small u-joints on the ISS shafts.

If the silicone doesnt bond to the shafts, because there is already grease in it, and the silicone just cures and prevents play in the shaft, then it actually might be a good fix.

How can we AV owners know which it is?

Well...Id suggest, since its really only a 30-minute +/- removal - have Mattie 03 or one of the other AV owners who have done the Silicne thing, take the ISS out after 1 month and see if it still compresses in-out or not.

If it does...then Id have to say, its not a bad idea. Its not  a high-speed or high-temp mechanical part, it just gets a lot of moment-force/torque on it, and silicone dould really cushion that force.
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« Reply #201 on: 10/29/09 10:05 AM »

The initial GM Service Bulletin/Fix for this problem was to lubricate the shaft.  This worked for awhile (in my case several months) but the knock/clunk noise came back.

Then GM issued a new Service Bulletin advising shaft replacement.  In my case, the dealer split half the labor/part cost with me.

I no longer have either Service Bulletin number at my finger tips but if someone wants them, I pretty sure I can dig them up. 
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« Reply #202 on: 10/29/09 10:10 AM »

Dads04Z71: How Long / How many miles has your new shaft been in for?

Looks like some of the people in this thread got new shafts only to have the problem return.
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« Reply #203 on: 10/29/09 11:14 AM »


Installed this past May (5-7-09) at 38,859 miles.  Now have 40,101 miles - no problem so far.  Dealer said this was a "redesigned" shaft.  We will see.
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« Reply #204 on: 10/29/09 05:52 PM »

Had some spare time yesterday and decided to do the lube trick first. It worked! We'll see how long it lasts. It was a pretty straight forward procedure following the directions in this thread. Thanks folks!
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« Reply #205 on: 10/30/09 09:54 AM »

Installed this past May (5-7-09) at 38,859 miles.  Now have 40,101 miles - no problem so far.  Dealer said this was a "redesigned" shaft.  We will see.

Ok so about 1250 miles....PLEASE repost to this thread or the Forums later and give us an update in the future.

Ive always had doubts the dealers install the real re-designed parts...would you be willing to post the part number from your invoice that they show?

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« Reply #206 on: 10/30/09 10:07 AM »

Mine is not clunking but my steering is floating really bad. I thought it was shocks or bushings. So I replaced all of them and i still have the problem. Everytime I drive and my tires hit any of the ruts on the interstate or roads my Av feels like it is on ice. I replaced my shaft last year about 40k miles ago. Look like it is time to do it again.
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« Reply #207 on: 10/30/09 10:42 AM »

Mine is not clunking but my steering is floating really bad. I thought it was shocks or bushings. So I replaced all of them and i still have the problem. Everytime I drive and my tires hit any of the ruts on the interstate or roads my Av feels like it is on ice. I replaced my shaft last year about 40k miles ago. Look like it is time to do it again.

Have you checked the Idler Arm for Play?
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« Reply #208 on: 10/30/09 10:56 AM »

Yea I was up under my Av checking everything trying to see what was wrong. It is almost like not having a swaybar. It is fine one turns and smooth pavement. But you get it up in the wind and grooved pavement and it sucks. I was thinking maybe my 285/70/17's were the cause. It started out as just barely noticeable, then just progressively got worse. My front shocks were completely worn out when I took them off. Thinking about it I replaced my steering shaft back in 07. So it has a lot of miles on it.
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« Reply #209 on: 10/30/09 12:22 PM »

Ok so about 1250 miles....PLEASE repost to this thread or the Forums later and give us an update in the future.

Ive always had doubts the dealers install the real re-designed parts...would you be willing to post the part number from your invoice that they show?

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« Reply #210 on: 10/30/09 12:35 PM »

Gladly - Part # from invoice is 19153614

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That IS the new/updated P/N: 19153614

Here is a good link on a complete install proceedure - apparently there is an access hole in the steering column under-side that allows you to lock the steering wheel into place, since us AV owners down have SW locks. This might help some folk, just FWI

http://www.silveradoss.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t30288.html

 :thumbsup: Thank you Chase04 from that forum!

Whats bothers me now, is that do you think its possible the dealers are putting the new P/N on the invoice, but actually working thru their inventory of the old P/N ???????????????

I mean...they would NEVER do that right? Naaaaaaah...Never.

How can we tell if this has happened to us? Well, if anyone here has had a new one installed, and it fails (Ive read at least 3 or 4 posts like this) - Remove the ISS and see if it can be taken apart...the new P/N cannot be taken apart to be Lubbed...the old one can.

Voila! - Luckily mine is still fairly good, but Im 99% certain I will need one here in the next year. I will make sure Ive got the REAL P/N: 19153614
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« Reply #211 on: 10/30/09 02:41 PM »

Another reason why I try and do all my own work. I do not trust dealers.
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« Reply #212 on: 10/30/09 06:33 PM »

Another reason why I try and do all my own work. I do not trust dealers.

I used to do all my work on cars and trucks but age has limited my mobility and motivation.  Also, without shop manuals and the required specialty tools, the complexity is getting past my former abilities.  When I was younger I and my friends used to modify and drag big iron - like 56-57 Oldsmobile's, 389 Pontiacs with Tri-power and dual quad 425 Buicks.  Then there were the 409 dual quad Chevies with 4 speeds.  We could retime and recurve our distributors, change out the carbs and/or rejet them.  Holly double pumpers were popular.  We would regear the rear end in a couple of hours.  All that was needed was a good set of ratchets, wrenches, timing light, dwell/tach and torque wrench and a good set of ears (tune by the way the exhaust sounded).

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« Reply #213 on: 10/31/09 08:48 AM »

I may have to do this mod soon

Just ordered one from Rock Auto  $46.79 11/02/09,  arrived 11/05/09  :thumbsup:

Thanks for the write up!  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #214 on: 10/31/09 09:42 PM »

I know what you mean by only needed a good set of tools a know what to listen for. I use to be able to drive a car and know what was wrong with it. installing a set of triple carbs on a 240Z and just by listening. I could adjust the mixture of each carb. I could drop a tranny and install a clutch in a couple hours. But as you, my age and disabilities are getting the best of me. I try to do all I can myself to save money.

Basically I hate paying someone $85.00 an hour, to do something I can do. The only things i get done at a shop are the tranny and alignment.
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« Reply #215 on: 11/01/09 07:45 AM »

I lubed mine twice..If/when it comes back I will replace the shaft.  :D
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« Reply #216 on: 11/05/09 09:55 AM »

I fix the squeaky noise the steering wheel had in mornings.

Removed the boot from the firewall, greased up the ISS, put the boot back on, and no more sound.

Now that the sound is gone, I think I can hear the dreaded low clunk feeling of the ISS itself.

Probably need to do that in a few months.  :E:

Drag. Youd think with how sturdy and tough the rest of the truck is built, they could friggin make an ISS that lasted 100K.

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« Reply #217 on: 11/06/09 06:09 PM »

I am planning to do this install tomorrow morning. One quick question: Do I need to disable the airbag system?
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« Reply #218 on: 11/07/09 04:25 AM »

I didn't :)  Everything I did is in the start of the thread, nothing hidden.
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« Reply #219 on: 11/07/09 11:49 AM »

To everyone who posted on this thread, thank you. The install took all of 20 minutes, and the AV runs like a champ. It took longer to change the spark plugs and wires.
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« Reply #220 on: 11/10/09 01:37 PM »

GMpartsdirect.com has the Intermediate Steering shaft on sale for fifty-four bucks.  As of this writing it's in the "Featured Parts" list. 
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« Reply #221 on: 11/10/09 02:33 PM »

I bought mine at Summit Racing for $45.00, $53.00 including shipping.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #222 on: 11/10/09 03:16 PM »

I bought mine at Summit Racing for $45.00, $53.00 including shipping.

Hey Shanes 02 - Was that the genuine new GM Part or an aftermarket ISS?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #223 on: 11/10/09 04:36 PM »

After market. I am hoping it will last longer then GM's last 2 did. It has a Blue Silicone grease in it.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #224 on: 11/11/09 09:09 AM »

After market. I am hoping it will last longer then GM's last 2 did. It has a Blue Silicone grease in it.

Reason I ask, is that GM re-designed the ISS last year, its part number is: 19153614.

Was the last GM shaft you replaced the new redesigned one, or the old one?

Thanks - David
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #225 on: 11/11/09 09:21 AM »

Does anyone know how the Dorman ISS is doing? I still haven't installed mine yet  :E:
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #226 on: 11/11/09 11:46 AM »

My last ISS is the new one and lasted just over 40k, my first one lasted over 100k. So I don't think the upgrade is worth a dam, that is why I went with the Dorman. I have not yet installed it, just being Lazy and it is in the 30's here. I do like the looks of the Dorman over the GM. The blue silicone grease looks a lot better then the white grease in GM's product. I am hoping to install it Saturday. I cannot do it during the week because i have to drive the kids to and from school and cannot afford for something to go wrong where my Av is down. I know it is a 20 minute job, but if anything goes wrong I am done. I will let you know what i think after I install it. I will be driving 900 miles one way to Cali on the 21st for T-Day. That will be a good break in period.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #227 on: 11/11/09 11:49 AM »

My last ISS is the new one and lasted just over 40k, my first one lasted over 100k. So I don't think the upgrade is worth a dam, that is why I went with the Dorman. I have not yet installed it, just being Lazy and it is in the 30's here. I do like the looks of the Dorman over the GM. The blue silicone grease looks a lot better then the white grease in GM's product. I am hoping to install it Saturday. I cannot do it during the week because i have to drive the kids to and from school and cannot afford for something to go wrong where my Av is down. I know it is a 20 minute job, but if anything goes wrong I am done. I will let you know what i think after I install it. I will be driving 900 miles one way to Cali on the 21st for T-Day. That will be a good break in period.

Thanks for the info 66.  Ive been wondering if the new redesigned shafts were going bad, and you answered that question.

I qill probably pick up the doorman one and install it in the next few weeks. Mine is just clunking a little, not bad, but its annoying.

After I got rid of tghe squeaking sound, the clunking was easy to heard...HAHA - Fix one thing only to discover another,

At least the ISS is a relatively cheap and easy fix.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #228 on: 11/11/09 01:08 PM »

My last ISS is the new one and lasted just over 40k, my first one lasted over 100k. So I don't think the upgrade is worth a dam, that is why I went with the Dorman. I have not yet installed it, just being Lazy and it is in the 30's here. I do like the looks of the Dorman over the GM. The blue silicone grease looks a lot better then the white grease in GM's product. I am hoping to install it Saturday. I cannot do it during the week because i have to drive the kids to and from school and cannot afford for something to go wrong where my Av is down. I know it is a 20 minute job, but if anything goes wrong I am done. I will let you know what i think after I install it. I will be driving 900 miles one way to Cali on the 21st for T-Day. That will be a good break in period.



 :jacked:Where at in Ca. are you going?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #229 on: 11/11/09 03:23 PM »

Reason I ask, is that GM re-designed the ISS last year, its part number is: 19153614.

Was the last GM shaft you replaced the new redesigned one, or the old one?

Thanks - David

There are two part numbers being thrown around here 425-176 and 19153614
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #230 on: 11/11/09 03:29 PM »

There are two part numbers being thrown around here 425-176 and 19153614
Is there a difference? 

P/N   19153614 is the Re-Designed Genuine GM Shaft.

I dont know what the other P/N is...maybe aftermarket ?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #231 on: 11/11/09 03:39 PM »

P/N   19153614 is the Re-Designed Genuine GM Shaft.

I dont know what the other P/N is...maybe aftermarket ?

Rock Auto says that the 19153614 translates to 425-176.  The box has a Dorman sticker and the 425-176 PN on it and the shaft itself is marked 425-176.

Is 19153614 GM's part number and 425-176 Dorman's Part Number?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #232 on: 11/11/09 03:51 PM »

Rock Auto says that the 19153614 translates to 425-176.  The box has a Dorman sticker and the 425-176 PN on it and the shaft itself is marked 425-176.

Is 19153614 GM's part number and 425-176 Dorman's Part Number?

19153614 is the GM number.

RockAuto mostly sells aftermarket, so the 425-176 is another suppliers part number. If its Dorman, I dont know, cuz I havnt looked at the Dorman yet. But its certain the 191...is the Genuine GM re-designed Shaft P/N.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #233 on: 11/11/09 04:43 PM »

19153614 is the GM number.

RockAuto mostly sells aftermarket, so the 425-176 is another suppliers part number. If its Dorman, I dont know, cuz I havnt looked at the Dorman yet. But its certain the 191...is the Genuine GM re-designed Shaft P/N.

Maybe the other way around?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #234 on: 11/11/09 05:02 PM »

the 425-176 is indeed a dorman product,dorman products are designed to replace factory parts that have design flaws. i have'nt seen the redesigned gm part,it would be interesting to see if gm followed dormans design change.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #235 on: 11/11/09 05:38 PM »

Does anyone know how the Dorman ISS is doing? I still haven't installed mine yet  :E:

That's one way to keep it from wearing out!
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #236 on: 11/11/09 05:41 PM »

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #237 on: 11/12/09 07:37 AM »

Maybe the other way around?

Seriously?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #238 on: 11/12/09 10:39 AM »

 :laugh: :laugh:  :beating: :laugh: :laugh:

That's one way to keep it from wearing out!
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #239 on: 11/12/09 11:31 AM »

OK it took my less then 20 minutes to do the install. I even took pictures. Here are a couple pics. One is of the GM ISS the other 2 are the Dorman. From comparing them side by side, the Dorman looks a lot stronger and better built. It has a grove in the side of it with an allen set screw. I am guessing the set screw is to adjust the tension on the slide grove.
The GM ISS has just the round bar that slides. As for install it was way beyond easy. I do recommend that you spray a little WD40 on the end that connects in the engine compartment. It makes the job so much more easier.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #240 on: 11/12/09 02:56 PM »

OK it took my less then 20 minutes to do the install. I even took pictures. Here are a couple pics. One is of the GM ISS the other 2 are the Dorman. From comparing them side by side, the Dorman looks a lot stronger and better built. It has a grove in the side of it with an allen set screw. I am guessing the set screw is to adjust the tension on the slide grove.
The GM ISS has just the round bar that slides. As for install it was way beyond easy. I do recommend that you spray a little WD40 on the end that connects in the engine compartment. It makes the job so much more easier.

Hey Shanes - Is there anyway you can Crop a close-up of that Alan Screw and groove? The close-up pic u posted is super blurry, cant see the groove or screw shape.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #241 on: 11/12/09 03:16 PM »

Nope I already installed it and the allen is in the steering boot. Sorry about that.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #242 on: 11/12/09 03:25 PM »

Nope I already installed it and the allen is in the steering boot. Sorry about that.

You might be able to open the full-size image of the dorman shaft - if you didnt resize the original file, and then crop the area of the screw and groove, then post that one.

Or, if you have a full size image thats not reduced to fit under 100KB for this site, you could send it to me...please :-)

The full size pic will let me see the groove clear enough.

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« Reply #243 on: 11/12/09 03:30 PM »

You might be able to open the full-size image of the dorman shaft - if you didnt resize the original file, and then crop the area of the screw and groove, then post that one.

Or, if you have a full size image thats not reduced to fit under 100KB for this site, you could send it to me...please :-)

The full size pic will let me see the groove clear enough.

Thanks.



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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #244 on: 11/12/09 03:34 PM »



Is this what you are looking for?

Yes Exactly!!! :-)  Mahalo !!!!  :wave:

So, the smaller rectangular bar slides in and out of the larger one? And do you adjust that alan screw, or is it lock-tighted in there by Dorman?

This part does look more sturdy than the GM part....go figure.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #245 on: 11/12/09 04:21 PM »


Well, I did a little research today, on other GM truck forums....I will NOT be getting the "new" "redesigned" GM shaft.

Every person on the other forums that posted in 2009 said they have had to replace the new GM shaft within a year.

ALL of them said the Dorman shafts are the way to Go.

THANK GOD, and Thank everyone here for our collective help.

A lot of people with $$$ also said the Borg Shafts were very good...but for $200+...Id replace a dorman 4 times.
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« Reply #246 on: 11/13/09 05:40 AM »

Once I run out of the lube kits, I will go the Dorman route
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #247 on: 11/13/09 07:28 AM »


Is this what you are looking for?

Thomsen05: - Is that alan screw locked in place by the factory, or do you adjust it?

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #248 on: 11/13/09 07:59 AM »

Its a allen screw, I dont think there is anything to adjust
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #249 on: 11/13/09 08:01 AM »

I do not see any reason for adjusting it. It worked awesome this morning when I took the kids to school. I made sure to hit as many potholes as possible. My steering feels better then it ever has.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #250 on: 11/13/09 08:07 AM »

I do not see any reason for adjusting it. It worked awesome this morning when I took the kids to school. I made sure to hit as many potholes as possible. My steering feels better then it ever has.


Ok, Im not being specific enough - so let me retry :-)

All screws and bolts turn, this causes them to go in or out - adjustment on whatever they press against - This alan screw looks like is might be there to set tension from the outer shaft to the groove on the inner shaft - Or maybe its just there to hold something together? I cant tell.

If that screw turns, and is not locked into place, then it can loosen up over time, but if its factory adjusted, and locked into place with locktite or by deformed thread, then nothing should wear out or loosen.

Im just wondering if its locked into place by dorman, or if anyone tried turning it a little bit just to see if it turns easily.

I know...Im being super-specific now, but Im just curious.  LOL
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« Reply #251 on: 11/13/09 09:24 AM »

the set screw is just a "stop" to keep the shaft from over extending, it is not under any tension.
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« Reply #252 on: 11/13/09 10:49 AM »

the set screw is just a "stop" to keep the shaft from over extending, it is not under any tension.

Sweet - I was hoping it was something like that, and not a wearing part.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #253 on: 11/13/09 03:30 PM »

The Dorman 425-176 has a Allen Cap Head Screw on the side with the groove and appears to be the over-extension stop.
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« Reply #254 on: 11/13/09 03:38 PM »

The Dorman 425-176 has a Allen Cap Head Screw on the side with the groove and appears to be the over-extension stop.

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Nice Pix!!! Thank you much!

I ordered my Dorman ISS from Summit today.

I offered Autozone to price match, but they didnt want to...its a shame, no way in hell Im gunna pay $75+tax, when I can get it for $45/$55 shipping included.

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« Reply #255 on: 11/13/09 03:41 PM »

The literature that came with the Dorman says, Thank you ...... You will notice a few differences between the OE shaft and this shaft.  The main shaft has been redesigned to a flat sided "Double-D" shaft.  Also vibration dampener has been improved.

The end has the anti-crush tab.

fully extended

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« Reply #256 on: 11/13/09 03:47 PM »

Looking at the pictures in the literature of an OEM ISS, the material of the Dorman looks twice as thick.  I weighed the Dorman on the postal scale and it's 2.5 pounds.

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« Reply #257 on: 11/13/09 04:04 PM »

I buy about 90% of my stuff from Summit Racing. They treat you very good and their prices are very competitive. I have been dealing with them for over 5 years now.

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« Reply #258 on: 11/13/09 05:21 PM »

Sirshopolot, post a pic of your hands when finish your install. :4: :4:
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« Reply #259 on: 11/14/09 06:14 AM »

This was my third purchase from Rock Auto. Good service and quick shipping.

Dorman 425-176

Rock Auto shipping = $6.98 for a total of $53.77

Summit shipping $7.50 for a total of $53.45 for a savings of $.32 :thumbsup:
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« Reply #260 on: 11/16/09 09:16 AM »

 :laugh:     :laugh:     :laugh:

This was my third purchase from Rock Auto. Good service and quick shipping.
Dorman 425-176
Rock Auto shipping = $6.98 for a total of $53.77
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« Reply #261 on: 11/16/09 04:54 PM »

I was able to get the ISS changed this weekend.  OMG what a difference it makes.  No more noise or clanking.  The wife even noticed & drove it down a brick street to test it out for herself.

Here are is the troubled ISS.  Not sure if it was a replacement, GM was supposed to have replaced it once.
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« Reply #262 on: 11/16/09 05:02 PM »

The splines on the inside shaft are plastic and probably what wears out causing our "rattle" and "clunk".

And a Pic for Mdz66  :P

Sirshopolot, post a pic of your hands when finish your install. :4: :4:
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« Reply #263 on: 11/17/09 08:22 AM »

The splines on the inside shaft are plastic and probably what wears out causing our "rattle" and "clunk".

And a Pic for Mdz66  :P

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SirShops: GREAT Pics man!!!! - It really looks like the Delphi shafts are inferior, both in engineering design and in manufacturing.

Plastic splines are just a no brainer....Why would you build a kick-ass truck, thats beefy as heck underneath, and then place a toy part in the steering? Well...at least we know of these little problems, and us bloggers help each other out!

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« Reply #264 on: 11/23/09 09:23 AM »

The literature that came with the Dorman says, Thank you ...... You will notice a few differences between the OE shaft and this shaft.  The main shaft has been redesigned to a flat sided "Double-D" shaft.  Also vibration dampener has been improved.

The end has the anti-crush tab.


Hey SirShopsalot - I installed my Dorman ISS Yesterday - 20 minutes!! - I noticed the Dorman ISS that was shipped to me didnt extend/compress smooth - very tight actually - was yours this way? Other than that, its a perfect fit.

That Blue stuff is some kind of plastic/nylon and appears to be the material to keep the inner and outer shafts from clanking togeter. I actually couldnt see any grease on the dorman shaft at all.

I added some white lithium grease to the Dorman and worked the shaft for a few minutes (HAHHA), it loosed up a little, but was still hard to compress. Just wondering if yours was the same.

The stock ISS extends and compresses with No effort at all. I kept it just in case.

I sliced my thumb open on the bracket for the power pedals - So everyone else BE CAREFUL!!! - BTW - There is no reson to remove the pedal bracket - I didnt, just remove the boot from the firewall, and the ISS comes out from the engine side without any problem.

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« Reply #265 on: 11/23/09 03:41 PM »

Yes, the Dorman was stiff.  I left it alone, figure they would have greased of told me to if it needed it.  :dunno:

Mine took a little longer than 20 minutes, I had to ride my bicycle down to the parts store for some grease to lube up the fire wall boot.
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« Reply #266 on: 11/23/09 03:44 PM »

Yes, the Dorman was stiff.  I left it alone, figure they would have greased of told me to if it needed it.  :dunno:

Mine took a little longer than 20 minutes, I had to ride my bicycle down to the parts store for some grease to lube up the fire wall boot.

I put a generous portion of grease in the boot...I didnt want the early morning squeak to come back! haha

Good to know the Dromans are being fabricated similar.
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« Reply #267 on: 11/24/09 08:03 AM »

Yes, the Dorman was stiff.  I left it alone, figure they would have greased of told me to if it needed it.  :dunno:
Mine took a little longer than 20 minutes, I had to ride my bicycle down to the parts store for some grease to lube up the fire wall boot.
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Well everyone...Yesterday driving, I kept feeling a 'popping' / 'clunking' sound, and I could feel it in my steering wheel...as I drove home it got worse  >:(  - Even on a smooth road, the slightest press of the brakes or slightest bump in the road caused the sound. Backing out of the driveway into the road, and It would pop 2-3 times as the shocks went up and down.

I checked to make sure the bolts on the Dorman were torqued, and they were right on. So, I drove around for 15 minutes going over speed bumps, tapping the brakes etc etc. And I determined the new dorman shaft I put in had to be the source of the sound.

So, At 7:00pm I removed the Dorman, and put back in the GM Shaft.

Poping and clunking sound is gone. Completely.

Not only did I not need to replace my ISS, but the Dorman was horrible. I posted on here how tight the shaft was...its did not want to slide in/out easily at all. And when I removed it, I can hold the Dorman in both hands and make it pop by trying to bend it.

Sirshopsalot...are you having any issues?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #268 on: 11/24/09 08:23 AM »

i just called a local dealership to get the lube kit, and they said it was discontinued in january of 09?? anyone know of an online store that would sell?
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« Reply #269 on: 11/24/09 08:53 AM »

i just called a local dealership to get the lube kit, and they said it was discontinued in january of 09?? anyone know of an online store that would sell?

There is a post about 4-5 pages back in this thread that listed a few dealerships with the lube kit, but that was earlier in 2009. I think for the most part, they are gone - aftermarket stores dont sell the kit.

And from everything Ive read, the lube kit is a very temporary *fix* - once the grease works its way out, the clunking returns - I heard other people say in less than 10K miles.

Im really pissed my dorman Shaft was crap. - Its going back to Summit today, and I will probably get the re-designed GM shaft and plan on replacing it every 30K miles...its a cheap and easy fix.  >:(

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« Reply #270 on: 11/24/09 10:09 AM »

i just called a local dealership to get the lube kit, and they said it was discontinued in january of 09?? anyone know of an online store that would sell?

Yeah, it's been gone a while since they used the redesigned shaft.

I stocked up on lube kits wen I could :)
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« Reply #271 on: 11/24/09 11:30 AM »

Nope I already installed it and the allen is in the steering boot. Sorry about that.

Hey Shanes02:

Was your Dorman ISS really hard to slide in and out?

I removed my Dorman last night because the thing was clunking and poping with the slightest bump in the road or touch of the brakes. Putting the old OEM shaft back on feels like a new truck.

My Dorman shaft from Summit was almost impossible to slide in/out, so I worked it for a while before installing it, but it was still super tight. Over the course of driving it for 1 day it went from a slight clunking similar to my GM ISS, to non-stop popping/clunking by last night.

When I removed the Dorman is still didnt want to slide in/out, but I could notice a smovement of the shafts when flexing them side-side.

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« Reply #272 on: 11/25/09 01:27 AM »

:E: :E: :E:   :thumbdown:
Well everyone...Yesterday driving, I kept feeling a 'popping' / 'clunking' sound, and I could feel it in my steering wheel...as I drove home it got worse  >:(  - Even on a smooth road, the slightest press of the brakes or slightest bump in the road caused the sound. Backing out of the driveway into the road, and It would pop 2-3 times as the shocks went up and down.

I checked to make sure the bolts on the Dorman were torqued, and they were right on. So, I drove around for 15 minutes going over speed bumps, tapping the brakes etc etc. And I determined the new dorman shaft I put in had to be the source of the sound.

So, At 7:00pm I removed the Dorman, and put back in the GM Shaft.

Poping and clunking sound is gone. Completely.

Not only did I not need to replace my ISS, but the Dorman was horrible. I posted on here how tight the shaft was...its did not want to slide in/out easily at all. And when I removed it, I can hold the Dorman in both hands and make it pop by trying to bend it.

Sirshopsalot...are you having any issues?

Wow! Interesting!?!

Nope. Mine is still like new. No noise or feelings.  I will pay attention and keep ya posted  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #273 on: 11/25/09 07:35 AM »

Wow! Interesting!?!

Nope. Mine is still like new. No noise or feelings.  I will pay attention and keep ya posted  :thumbsup:

Yeah, Mine got so bad by Monday night, I thought there was another problem, like a friggin shock went bad, or a loose suspension part. But it was difitely the ISS Shaft. Non-stop popping sound.

My shaft had the Blue plastic visible, just like your when it was fully extended, but when I say it was tight, I mean I could hardly pull the 2 shafts apart, maybe "Binding" is a better word than Tight. And once I got them extended I had to place my full body weight to get them to slide back in. Im certain what I was hearing was the shaft binding in and out as the suspension/body moved slightly up and down.

At any rate, I re-lubed the stock shaft, and put it back in, and there is no clunking or sound anymopre at all. I know it will only last 10K miles or so, but that will give me time to lok at another dorman, or maybe the new GM shaft.

BTW: It took me 18 minutes to change out the Dorman back to the OEM shaft tmonday night...Ive got it down to an art, including locking the sterering wheel using the seat belt.
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« Reply #274 on: 11/25/09 11:50 AM »

Mine is working awesome. I just did a 900 mile drive over all sorts of kind of terrain and had no issues at all. My Dorman was stiff but not bad, I could slide it with out much effort. I am extremely happy with it. My Av rides better then it did when I bought it. The steering feels awesome and firm. When I pulled out the GM ISS it was trashed looking and worm out.
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« Reply #275 on: 11/25/09 02:47 PM »

Mine wasn't that hard to extend of compress.

Order another on from somewhere else and give it another try and shoot for 15 minutes  :4:
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« Reply #276 on: 11/25/09 02:49 PM »

Mine is working awesome. I just did a 900 mile drive over all sorts of kind of terrain and had no issues at all. My Dorman was stiff but not bad, I could slide it with out much effort. I am extremely happy with it. My Av rides better then it did when I bought it. The steering feels awesome and firm. When I pulled out the GM ISS it was trashed looking and worm out.
Sorry yours did not work out.

Maybe I got the bad one of the bunch..I saw your GM shaft pics...completely trashed. My GM shaft was just barely beginning to clunk a little bit, which is why I got the Dorman, but after putting it back in, its night and day, so I will drive it until it clunks like this new one did.

It was friggin horrible...like driving a POS for a day..HAHA
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #277 on: 11/25/09 05:38 PM »

Summit will ship you another one for free. They have awesome support.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #278 on: 11/29/09 12:49 PM »

Tried installing the Dorman this weekend...however the end of the Dorman will not fit (not even close) into the existing lower shaft, from it being torqued/mis-shaped?  Anyone else have this issue?  I noticed it was mentioned as a possible problem included in the literature with the Dorman.

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #279 on: 11/29/09 02:24 PM »

I have not ran across that problem. Was your old ISS installed wrong?
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #280 on: 11/29/09 03:03 PM »

Not that I know of.  I had it replaced once at the dealer several years back, bu the clunking noise has returned with a vengance the last year, so I opted to do it myself this time, everything went smooth until I attempted to fit the the new ISS into the lower shaft coupling, which would not even start.  I have since removed the lower shaft in an effort to try to pry out a little more room where it was torqued down, no luck there either.  I actually think I have mishaped the lower unit worse, so my new plan is going to be to replace the lower unit.  I have had trouble finding this part online anywhere other than parts direct?  Any ideas?

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #281 on: 11/30/09 08:40 AM »

Have you tried Parts Train or Summit Racing? I have never seen that issue before but if I ran into it I would be replacing all of it. Good Luck. :thumbsup:

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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #282 on: 11/30/09 08:44 AM »

Tried installing the Dorman this weekend...however the end of the Dorman will not fit (not even close) into the existing lower shaft, from it being torqued/mis-shaped?  Anyone else have this issue?  I noticed it was mentioned as a possible problem included in the literature with the Dorman.

Thanks

If the lower shaft was deformed, its very difficult to correct without removing the lower shaft from the PS unit. And you bsically have to re-shape it.

Or, you can grind a TINY - VERY SMALL amount of metal off the new ISS.


Neither is a great solution.

Sorry.
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #283 on: 12/05/09 07:39 AM »

Thanks for the reply.  I ended up getting a new one.  Thanks yall
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Re: Intermediate Steering Shaft Removal/Lube Kit Installation
« Reply #284 on: 12/28/09 04:34 PM »

Here it is going on two months and my ISS is just as solid as a new one after putting the silicone in it. It has a little bit of flex when it's removed but very very little.  It doesn't really need much flex or movement to perform correctly. I have climbed over tall curbs, run through pot holes, tall speed bumps, gone out in the woods across small ravines and it still works excellent. It was 75 degrees when I installed it and it worked great. Last week it was 9 degress and it worked equally as well. Honestly guys, if you're looking at buying a new shaft for upwards of $80 to $120 to replace the old worn out clunking shaft, why not try the silicone first and see how it works for you. If it doesn't work then you can buy a new one but the new shaft for me was total waste of money. After just a few months it clunked just like the old one did. The clear RTV silicone cured my problem and I'm very happy with it. Just my own experience and opinion.