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Advice on advanced (more than just ECM) OBD2 scanner

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Greetings to all. This is my first post, of many I suspect, and hope I'm in the right spot. Just acquired my first Avalanche 6 months ago, a 2009 LTZ 5.3L flex fuel. She's lovely on the surface but full of mysterious and naughty surprises on the inside. Have done a bunch of superficial fixes, but am now seeing air bag and suspension service alerts on the dash. My basic OBD2 scanner is not prepared to read more deeply into these issues and I am seeking some guidance on the purchase of one that will be able to do this. I have already done some research and was considering the following:

  • Autel ML629
  • iCarsoft 1900
  • Innova 6100p
  • Blue Driver (except website states does not support AIR BAG and TPMS alerts for my 2009)
Do any of you have experience with any of them? Maybe suggest I look at another, budget conscious option? I'm a fair DIYer and fix what I can manage, or learn to manage, but still like to have an idea of the full scope of my vehicle's problems. Thanks.
 
My BlueDriver read SRS codes on my 2003 Avalanche, 2004 Escalade EXT and our 2012 GMC Acadia, just fine.

My Autel AL619 does as well.

I have used both to read codes and locate faults in the SRS systems of each of these vehicles.

I was surprised to find the BlueDriver to be somewhat more capable than the Autel.

But, the Autel is an older model.
 
Yeah, i've personally had my bluedriver provide codes for every system and live data for the majority of things you'd like to see. I think the trans temp is the only one I've looked up for someone and it did t have the ability to see.

I attached an extended screenshot of the original report for my avalanche when I picked it up. Lol. You can see the srs codes in there.

It doesn't go super deep I to the system and isn't able to manually control inputs like a shop tool would, but for figuring out what all the dash lights are doing, it's worked plenty fine and has matched up perfectly to professional tools.
 

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Try I-link400 (hand-held) by Vident or some variation of this company's stuff. Only about $150. Yes it's made of pure Chinesium. Contact them and they will tell you if they can support your specific needs on a specific vehicle. I have an I-link 400 and it does it all including bidirectional functions on my 2003. Keep in mind that what works on one year and model may or may not work on another.


I-link400 does support newer vehicles and the CANBUS protocol that started in 2005/2006, but as I understand it all the PIDS used for the J1850PWM protocol (used for example in 2003) are different from the CANBUS ones and may or may not be present in a given software database. So be careful when comparing scanner capability for your 2009 using advice regarding older models (pre-2006) and always use the latest version of the software.
 
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I guess ill chip back in that the bluedriver supports: ISO 15765-4 (CAN), ISO 9141-2, ISO 14230-4 (KWP2000), SAE J1850 (VPW & PWM)

Just so someone can compare and contrast. I've used it on a number of gm vehicles from 2001-2014 and have used it on my 2017 charger.

That said, i've also heard good things about the viden scanner as a good bang for the buck standalone option. Just depends on what you want in one.
 
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Software (for example Blue Driver) can support a particular protocol for only basic OBD2 PIDs, or software can support a protocol for Enhanced PIDs and more (which is what the OP apparently wants). All a company has to do to say it supports a protocol is to just provide the most basic Powertrain PIDs and read and clear powertrain codes (which I believe is standardized for the protocol). That said, a software (for example Blue Driver) may support much more. It depends on the protocol, the programming, and the vehicle involved. This is typically why one person is happy, and another is unhappy with their chosen scanner. I just recommend checking and not assuming someone else's experience will be the same as yours unless you are same make/model/year.
 
Thanks all for your input. I did, in fact, contact the various manufacturers to match what their scanners can do with what I want/need to fix. Did find one person with my year make model using the iCarsoft and was happy with its capabilities. Have also looked at many reviews of the various scanners, esp the well reasoned and thoughtful negative ones. Raekal, are ALL of those codes from Blue Driver real faults? One reviewer said he rescanned multiple times just to sort out what he really had to address, assuming the reappearing ones at the top of the list were accurate. It's quite the playing field out there for the home use scanners. Haven't decided yet which to purchase, but will give you all a review when I do.
 
Hey, bumping this thread to see if there are any updated recommendations. I already have HPTuners for the engine and trans ECM but need a scanner for ABS, BCM, Airbag codes. What is the latest recommendation. BTW also have elm327 obd2 bluetooth device and torque app but it does not seem to do much for Avalanche.
 
for $10 You can try Car Diagnostic Pro on an Android phone. Reads ABS, BCM, HVAC, etc, Airbag codes on my 2004. Would use your existing blutooth OBD2 device. Unknown how it will work on your CANbus 2008. Alternatively Vident i-link 400 ($150) should do the trick on a 2008 but check with them first.
 
Do you have some idea of your budget and the functionality of the scanner you need?

I have a small collection of scanners and code readers beginning with the most basic to a couple of those that have made me stretch my tool budget quite a bit more.

Having started many years ago with the most basic of basic, I found after getting and using a tool, I would often find a need or want to do more.

Back in the day, simply reading codes was really all I needed since that fit pretty well in my understanding of the systems in modern automobiles.

As time moved forward and I began tinkering deeper and deeper, I found the last tool I had purchased no longer provided the information and functionality that I thought I needed.

As I moved up the scale, I began to understand that the more I wanted to do, the more money I was going to have to spend.

There is no way to get around that.

No matter what tool I now own, there is always some tool that can see and do more than the current best one I own.

So, in order to keep me from having to dig out some of my older and now pretty much unused set of tools, I will share a few of them that I tend to pull out as the need arises.

Understand, these may not represent the latest and greatest of the options out there today, but rather tools I already own and still use.

Several years ago, I found myself needing to troubleshoot some ABS related problems I was having with our 2012 GMC Acadia.

Whatever code reader I was using at the time was completely unable to read and present me the actual ABS codes in any meaningful way.

Working within my budget and more limited knowledge of the ABS systems, I did some research and decided to purchase an Autel AutoLink AL619 OBD2 Scanner.

I like this inexpensive handheld ODBII scanner as it read the ABS codes in both the Acadia and later in my 2003 Avalanche and pointed me to the faults in both vehicles and I was able to affect repairs.

Some time after I bought the AL619, the bluetooth OBDII devices began to be popular.

My first bluetooth device was the BlueDriver Bluetooth Pro OBDII Scan Tool.

Being curious in what these new devices had to offer and also being a fan of my Autel AL619, I bought later an Autel MaxiAP AP200 OBD2 Scanner.

Both of these devices were a step up from the AL619, and I have found that all three still have something to offer and I still use all of them.

I tend to keep one of the bluetooth devices in the glovebox or console of my trucks all of the time, to use out on the road in a pinch, if needed.

While technically not scanner/code readers devices, I later found the need and desire to access modules at a deeper level to both interact and update those modules.

For those instances, I found a need for some sort of J2534 interface device that would allow a laptop running the appropriate software to interact with various modules.

At first, my research lead me to purchase, what I later found to be, a Chinese clone of a J2534 interface device that also included a trojan infected hacked version of the Tech2Win program that runs on a laptop.

It took some doing on my part to finally develop a crash and burn laptop running a dedicated install of Windows to be able to run the software and accomplish my goals.

The set up actually did what I needed it to do.

I looked and I find this device is still being sold on Amazon, but the reviews now mention much more the difficulties in getting the software to run and the included malware.

I feel my technical background allowed me to use this device in a way that might not be possible for someone that does not have those technical skills.

For that reason, I will not share the name of the product.

My install of their software is on a dedicated hard drive that contains nothing but their hacked software and nothing that can be compromised.

I'll keep this device and the dedicated hard drive tucked away, just in case.

However, after learning the shortcomings of that device and software, I still needed a J2534 interface device to troubleshoot and repair problems that later arose.

That lead me to research and purchase a more expensive J2534 device.

This time, I was determined to get a legit device that would work with the ACDelco Service Programming System (SPS2) service.

The device I chose was the Mongoose-Plus J2534 OEM Vehicle Interface Cable - GM OEM Reprogramming and Diagnostics device.

This device is fully supported by ACDelco and works great.

But, as you can tell, in order to do more things properly, the cost of doing business is beginning to get serious.

Not only will you need a legit J2534 interface device, but you will need to purchase subscriptions from ACDelco, as well.

Once you get to this level, things start to get a little spendy.

But, with those higher costs, you also have more capability.

You have to decide what it is you want to do and how much you are willing to invest.

My latest interest is being able to interact with the vehicle's systems in a bi-direction manner and to be able to communicate with modules and devices and troubleshoot problems on a much deeper level than what is possible with any of my other devices.

But once again, this can be a slippery slope when it comes to purchasing a capable device and trying to stay within some sort of budget.

I am a DIY'er and not some sort of a qualified mechanic, but I still want devices that will allow me to expand my knowledge and allow me to possibly repair things without having to rely on a shop all of the time.

That being said, I am a follower of Scanner Danner on Youtube and a couple of his videos discuss what he feels is a good, lower cost scanner that should serve DIY'ers well.

These scanners are from the Topdon company.

Topdon has some very expensive professional grade equipment, but there are also some lesser priced devices.

Trying to stay within my budget, I waited until a sale on Amazon and I bought the TOPDON Phoenix Lite 2, Bi-Directional Scan Tool.

When I looked just now, Amazon has a $120 off coupon to help soften the financial blow, somewhat.

Still, this is a very expensive device and may not fit everyone's budget.

I'm just trying to share what I know and maybe give others some insight.

This is a robust and capable scan tool that I find myself using almost exclusively now.

The technical support appears to be pretty good and they have online groups, such as a Facebook page where they have an ongoing presence and seem to be willing to help out their users worldwide.

There are some other accessories from Topdon that will add additional functionality to the scanner I bought, such as an o-scope and battery tester, that I plan to add to my collection later on.

While there is always something better out there or coming along, I am hoping this device satisfies my needs for some time in the future.

Anyway, you can see where being a curious tool guy can be an expensive hobby.

Best of luck finding your next device.
 
Thanks for the lengthy response @EXT4ME Although I would not say I would "Never" spend $500-$600 on a tool because I have already bought HPTuners and scanning and programming device for my Land Rovers costing similar money, I would like to think I do not need to spend that much money to scan ABS, BCM, and Airbag codes for the AVI. I run a couple of aftermarket parts websites and on one I rent my Land Rover scanner and am considering doing the same for my HPTuners hardware, could do the same for a BCM/ABS/Airbag controller. The LR scanner actually has some configuration capabilities for those modules as well troubleshooting for the HVAC module. I also have an 02 Camaro that would be nice to have those scanning functions as well as I have an ABS code on it now.

So I guess my long winded response is I would like to be able to read codes as well as live data for those modules that HPTuners and Torque app at the least cost possible.

@2004Slickside here is the developer site: https://scantech.proboards.com/
 

Thanks! Wonder why I could not find that.

If you are basing your findings on Car Diagnostic Pro displaying enhanced GM PIDs, IMHO that may not indicate if it can read/clear codes. Car Diagnostic Pro will be able to read/display regular Federally mandated OBD2 PIDs on your 2008, so why not the rest?.

If all you want to do is read/clear ABS, BCM, Etc which is a completely different and separate function, it has a read all codes and clear all codes right up front in the menu. I think it is likely this will work to read/clear all codes on a 2008 but it will cost you $10 to find out.

Good luck
 
I recently bought the Foxwell NT630 while chasing SRS codes, and specifically this one to be able to do the ABS bleed which I had on deck. Been happy with it's capabilities for the price point. (Especially after using elm/torque on other vehicles).
Limited-time deal: FOXWELL NT630 Plus OBD2 Scanner Diagnostic Tool, Car Code Reader ABS Scan Tool Bleeding Brake SRS Scanner Bidirectional Control with Airbag Light Reset SAS Calibration Oil Light EPB Service https://a.co/d/c6kfCm6
 
Greetings to all. This is my first post, of many I suspect, and hope I'm in the right spot. Just acquired my first Avalanche 6 months ago, a 2009 LTZ 5.3L flex fuel. She's lovely on the surface but full of mysterious and naughty surprises on the inside. Have done a bunch of superficial fixes, but am now seeing air bag and suspension service alerts on the dash. My basic OBD2 scanner is not prepared to read more deeply into these issues and I am seeking some guidance on the purchase of one that will be able to do this. I have already done some research and was considering the following:

  • Autel ML629
  • iCarsoft 1900
  • Innova 6100p
  • Blue Driver (except website states does not support AIR BAG and TPMS alerts for my 2009)
Do any of you have experience with any of them? Maybe suggest I look at another, budget conscious option? I'm a fair DIYer and fix what I can manage, or learn to manage, but still like to have an idea of the full scope of my vehicle's problems. Thanks.
I have an Otofix D1 and it works well
 
I bought the Foxwell NT630, it worked great on the airbag and abs codes I had, will not do the suspension and park assist sytems so I upgraded to the NT680 pro, will be posting the NT630 for sale in the for sale section.
 
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