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Best Single MPG Mod?

Mr Monte said:
You use less gas going down hill in drive with foot off pedal (fuel injectors are turned off) than putting into neutral (fuel injectors are flowing fuel to keep engine running).

Injectors are not turned off with foot off of pedal.  Largely for emissions purposes the engine is still running in closed loop operation and still looking for the same fuel/air ratio.  The computers have provisions for tuning in a more fuel saving fuel/air ratio in these situations which is not used for US cars.  Additionally the stock tune in my 03 would increase airflow over stock levels in these situations which causes an increase in fuel usage with the locked fuel/air ratio.
 
Well I have a 03 z71 and I do good to get 13.6 mpg. 285/75/17's ,true dual straight pipe , k&n CAI , new plugs and wires, 114000 miles and the oil doesn't hardly even change color between changes. I would give anything to get 16-17 mpg. Would y'all suggest I get a programmer or chip to match the other mods? Or would that make it burn more?
 
It's been said for years around this site the best MPG mod is your driving style. You need to drive like an old geezer and avoid stop and go driving and idling as much as possible.
An AV is 6,000 lbs. and takes a lot of gas to get it moving and stopped. It also has the aerodynamics of a brick and doing things like lifting it and putting on big rims or wide tires can affect airflow or rolling resistance. Despite the manufacturer's clams of improved gas mileage I have read of a decrease in MPG with CAI and that may be due to the driver stomping on the accelerator to hear the intake noise. (Same could be said for exhaust mods too I guess.)
I know gas prices are going up but I can't see spending hundreds of dollars on tuners or other items to get one or two MPG increase, you would have to burn lots of gas to get it to pay off. I can see someone getting a tuner for performance gains though if they are looking for HP gains.
Just my .02 but the same argument could be used for getting a Magnacharger supercharger setup for a AV since it would help a heavy vehicle get up to speed quicker and would not burn more gas at cruise over stock, so if driven properly could in theory help mpg. The trick is, could a person have the ability to use in the "efficient" manner and not stomp on it to feel the effect or hear the sound?  >:D
 
hauselvaughn1 said:
As an engineer, I know where this comes from.... And in older cars, yes this is somewhat true. In an older car, the fuel systems were very, I mean VERY basic. They were actually exactly what you would imagine in your head right now. A simple fuel tank with a spout, or filler hose, that led up to an accessible hole where fuel could be added. In this gas tank was a basic fuel pump, which was somewhat easily accessible for a reason (always had to be replaced). Things were even worse before EFI came about. Anyways, back on topic. Fuel tends to evaporate relatively quick. Therefore, this claim has to do with the rate the fuel would actually evaporate from the tank whether it was actually in use, or just sitting over night. A smaller amount of fuel (i.e. 1/4 tank would obviously evaporate faster than a full tank, due to surface area etc). New cars have a lot more advanced fuel systems. They eliminated nearly all the evaporation issues (from the little flap on the filler spout to advanced gas caps, circulation hoses .. the list goes on).  But thats how that theory began and people have tended to continue believing it.  Trust me, you waste more money by making more frequent stops to refuel due to only filling up halfway, rather than filling up and not having to stop as often.

As I remember the theory it was that a half filled tank gave better mileage than a full tank......and it goes further back than that to the days where there was no air pollution controls and tanks were fully vented to the atmosphere. the only openings in the gas tank was the filler opening at the top and the gas supply line coming out the lowest part of the gas tank......fuel was gravity fed to the mechanical diaphragm fuel pump located low on the engine and powered by a lever action off an extra lobe on the camshaft.....no pressure regulator, fuel feed controlled by a shutoff valve on the float in the carburetor. These 50/60s era sometimes would "vapor lock" on a hot day when the fuel pump to carb line became too hot and heated the gas forming an air pocket in the line , had to either cool down the line or bleed the air off at the input fitting on the carb....later improvements included a return line to the gas tank to equalize pressure and prevent a dead ended lockup. Psychological effect or real?, but those cars always ran better and got worse mileage on a full tank of gas......likely because it was a gravity feed system and the higher the gas level in the tank, the higher the incoming pressure of the gas being fed to the pump.....in fact many times on a full throttle acceleration the reserve in the carb bowl would go dry and all you had was gas as fast as it could be supplied by the pump with its tongue hanging out, so if you wanted better acceleration, on to a 2 bbl., then 4 bbl. then 3x2 bbl. But today, none of this applies so  you'll get the same gas mileage no matter what the level of gas in the tank.
 
I had a 91 mercury capri convertible, 5 speed/4 cyl that I got used to taking out of gear all the time when I could. A lot of hills here in SW VA, could get as much as 36-37 mpg with that car! Rust underneath(MI car) finally made me retire it at 340,000. I used to put my Avy in neutral, could get upper 18's with mixed driving. Decided to stop after reading input on this topic. Don't wish to tear it up :D
 
copracr said:
Cam>6 speed manual ???

Yep.  That 6-speed is huge and the rotating mass isn't helping the MPG.  The cam gave me an instant 20% increase in MPG.  The trans is mainly for heavy duty towing...to the tune of 35,000 pounds worth.
 
That's surprising, but I remember jacking that zf6 up into my f350 and it was huge.  It looked like Ford pulled it out of a small semi truck and stuffed it in there.

BTW,  they're super tough,  but they can wear out if you give one to the wrong driver (like a stubborn step dad that thinks he can drive anything)
 
Yep...the ZF6 went in some one-ton pickup trucks, but mostly the heavy duty stuff like the Ford F-550's and dump trucks.  They weren't specific as far as Ford/Chevy etc.  There were some slight differences like gear ratios, but dimensionally the same size.

P.S.  Someone needs to fix this site's spell checker.  It is annoying getting flagged when I spell something incorrectly, and go online looking it up only to find that I spelled the word correctly.
 
The best single mod, beside changing drivers, is a tuner. Depends on your driving style, it can be the most beneficial to install tuner and adjust it your style and vehicle. I have seen my 03 mpg increase by 30% overall. The Avy loves highways at 21-22.5 mpg. City mpg still depends on traffic conditions The computer readouts of DIC are generally out a sync with actual readings. The original programming needs updating. Many drivers of early model 8 cylinder vehicles are updating the stock programming with new tuners. The cost is not prohibitive and a lot cheaper than most performance mods.
 
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