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Cadillac EXT or Avalanche LT?

Annona

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Guys,

I'm looking at same year Avalanche LT (leather seats, wood dash,...)  and EXT. Same price. Difference is about 40K miles.
AV is one owner, Caddy has 3 owners. Both CA trucks.
EXT has a bit more wear on the leather seats. Obviously the Caddy will have worse MPG. So, assuming all other factors are the same (the added cache that the Cadillac badge brings is of no value to me)
Which would you choose? I'm leaning strongly towards the Chevy, my wife kinda likes the looks of the Cadillac, but she said the decision is mine.
Thanks,
 
I would never pass on a nice truck because of worn leather.

Mine was worn when I bought it and I replaced all of the front seat leather, including both armrests and the driver's seat bottom foam with products from The Seat Shop

Factory fit and finish.

Don't worry yourself about any cache.

That's only in the owner's mind.

Best to remain humble, IMO.

I like both, but fate had me end up with an EXT when I was shopping for an Avalanche.

You did not mention what model year you were looking at.

I would avoid the 2007 and 2008 Avalanche because of common issues with the AFM engines.

Those same years would be a good choice for the EXT, as I understand it, because the 6.2 in those years did not yet have the AFM system.

Later model years of both trucks seem to be more reliable in terms of the AFM system.

For the most part, other than the different engines and the fact that the EXT can only be had with all wheel drive, both of these trucks are pretty much the same, aside from some stickers and badges.

If you are concerned about fuel mileage, neither one is going to be a really great choice.

They are both large, 4 door trucks with V8 engines.

Best of luck with your shopping.

For me, all things being nearly even, I would take the EXT.

(y)

 
Both are 2010.
The only thing that MAY concern me is the extra 40k miles that the Caddy has. I don't know how much more wear and tear on the engine that makes. Both check out fine on autocheck.com. Spoke to both dealers and saw detailed photos. Nothing of concern there. So, would you pass up the Caddy because it has 40K more miles than the AV?
Thanks,

 
Mileage on these trucks is no indication of wear. At least not 40k worth. The maintenance on the vehicles will be the more telling sign.

These trucks can easily go 300k miles and that 40k miles won't tell you anything. Personally I wouldn't be scared of the 40k miles in the least bit.  100k miles then I would start thinking there might be some major differences just due to the mileage difference. I would get the EXT if it were me...

Rodney
 
I bought my 2004 EXT back in 2012 with 116K miles on it.

It now has 233K on it.

It is better maintained and in much better shape now than before I bought it.

That is not to say it has not had any problems or things wearing out due to it's age and mileage.

I am just committed to taking care of things before they turn into bigger problems.

I am not afraid to spend some money to replace things as they begin to wear out.

I claim it to be the best vehicle I have owned in my over 40 years of driving.

And I have had several really nice vehicles along the way.

It is my hope to drive it a long time, yet.
 
I thought I'd throw my .02 cent in so you know what you will be getting into with an Escalade 07 up.

I love the thing and are fun drive even at 6,000 pound but that comes with a price.

Escalades came with the same motors that are in the Camaro L92 07/08 L9h 09, 2010 L94

If it is all wheel drive the EPA has no mileage rating and it came with a Gas Guzzler Tax 2 wheel drive was 14 mpg, real world it's 10-12 MPG city

They are a blast to drive with that jet fighter interior and All wheel drive, they go from 0-60 in 6 second, pretty good for 6,000 pounds.

Like I said I love them, but they recommend premium fuel in them.  If its all wheel drive you have more maintenance.

You may want to get a insurance quote before you buy. LOL

Oh yeah 07/08 don't have AFM, but they did have 6 a speed tranny, they went AFM in 09
 
Thanks all for your opinions, very helpful.
I'll take a few days to decide.
Here are the 2 vehicles:

https://radicalautodeals.com/cars/Used/2010/Cadillac/Escalade+EXT/Luxury/6220890

https://www.stminaauto.com/2010-Chevrolet-Avalanche/Used-SUV/Montclair-CA/13438988/Details.aspx
 
They both look nice and I am sure either would be a truck you could enjoy.

I, personally would take the EXT.

But, that's just me being spoiled from having one.

Then again, I would take the Avalanche in a heart beat.

The Avalanche was what I was out to get when I stumbled across my EXT and fate intervened.

The interiors look to both have normal wear for their age and mileage, so that would not be a concern for me.

They both look good inside, from the pictures.

It does look to me that the EXT is missing it's plastic engine cover when compared to the Avalanche.

Those covers are there for beauty, but still, that would be something I know I would want to replace if it were mine.

Those plastic covers should be available in the used car part market.

That 140K on the EXT is not really high mileage for a modern vehicle, so I would not pass on that truck for that reason alone.

You will need to determine the amount of mileage you are planning to put on either truck to determine if the 140K puts you too far down the road to be comfortable with the purchase.

I do not put nearly as many miles on a vehicle these days as I had in the past, so a higher mileage vehicle is going to last a longer period of time than before.

Best of luck with your purchase.

I am certain either will make you happy.

(y)
 
Also, both of those are about 2K less than what I paid for my 2004 back in 2012.

I'm a little jealous.

(y)
 
Thank you EXT4ME for taking the time,

Here's how my search evolved.
Originally I was just looking for a used full size truck to replace my Colorado. I need to carry away a good amount of landscaping waste to the county disposal site a couple times a month. The Colorado bed has proven to be too small. My search started with Silverado/Sierra (not interested in other makes). Then I ran across the 1st of many Avalanches within my budget. I've always wanted one but timing has never been right. Found a 1st gen AV, was very close to driving 4 hours to pick it up but couldn't get the time off to go. Then found this blue one, only 1.5 hours away, nicer than the other one. Then last minute, the EXT popped up on my screen as part of an ad. My wife was like "get it, get it", Lol.

Here's my reluctance, it's not just the 40K miles, that is no longer a concern, thanks to you guys on this board. However, I'd hate to be driving that to the dumpster with tree branches, loads of grass cuttings, logs,.... filling up the bed. Also, I work in a rather low-income, blue collar area, and I can't see myself pulling up to work in that EXT, Lol. Too much attention for my personality. So it looks like AV for me, at this time.
 
When I bought My Av I saw an EXT that was about $4k more and a year newer. Since I paid $10.5k for my truck it was a significant difference.

Personally with what your looking at, I would get the EXT and not worry about the rest of that. If you are THAT worried about scaring up the plastic you can get plastic coatings for them. I own a 2012 Cadillac CTS and I do get the "Boy you make too much if you can buy something like that" and such comments and I just tell them I paid less than they did for their vehicle so drop it.

I regret not buying the EXT slightly. My Av was very clean when I bought it and the EXT was showing a little more wear. I probably could have talked them down on the EXT but I looked at the price tag solely. I could have easily afforded the difference.

 
The Avalanche will serve you well.

(y)

After I bought my EXT, a little research discovered it was previously used as a ranch truck on an Indian reservation in Oklahoma.

It came to me with a trailer brake controller already installed and the rear bumper shows signs of heavy trailer use.

When I detailed the truck, I found lots of hay, dirt and even some bullets and shell casings in the cracks and crevices of the rear bed area.

Even after I bought the truck, I have used it to haul sod, lumber, plants, building supplies, tools, furniture and bags of fertilizer and manure.

The truck is used to tow my utility trailer, Sea Doo and 25' party barge.

EXTandPARTYBARGE1.JPG


I am not afraid to put it to work and it would appear the previous owner was not afraid, as well.

I am not trying to convince you to buy the EXT, but to just let you know that if that had been the way you decided to go, the truck would have served you well.

Enjoy the new truck!

(y)

 
That blue Avalanche looks very nice, it would be my pick.  Having the 2-speed transfer case with 4 Low is a big plus in my opinion, which wasn't an option on the Caddy. 

Just a word of caution since you mentioned the bed size of the Colorado being too small.  The Avalanche bed may be larger than the Colorado, but it has far less space than a comparable shortbed full-size truck.  The lockable saddlebag compartments are great, but they take up a lot of the cargo room in the bed. 
 
redheadedrod said:
When I bought My Av I saw an EXT that was about $4k more and a year newer. Since I paid $10.5 for my truck it was a significant difference.

Personally with what your looking at, I would get the EXT and not worry about the rest of that. If you are THAT worried about scaring up the plastic you can get plastic coatings for them. I own a 2012 Cadillac CTS and I do get the "Boy you make too much if you can buy something like that" and such comments and I just tell them I paid less than they did for their vehicle so drop it.

I regret not buying the EXT slightly. My Av was very clean when I bought it and the EXT was showing a little more wear. I probably could have talked them down on the EXT but I looked at the price tag solely. I could have easily afforded the difference.

My wife and next door neighbors are pushing me hard to get the EXT :laugh:
 
EXT4ME said:
The Avalanche will serve you well.

(y)

After I bought my EXT, a little research discovered it was previously used as a ranch truck on an Indian reservation in Oklahoma.

It came to me with a trailer brake controller already installed and the rear bumper shows signs of heavy trailer use.

When I detailed the truck, I found lots of hay, dirt and even some bullets and shell casings in the cracks and crevices of the rear bed area.

Even after I bought the truck, I have used it to haul sod, lumber, plants, building supplies, tools, furniture and bags of fertilizer and manure.

The truck is used to tow my utility trailer, Sea Doo and 25' party barge.

EXTandPARTYBARGE1.JPG


I am not afraid to put it to work and it would appear the previous owner was not afraid, as well.

I am not trying to convince you to buy the EXT, but to just let you know that if that had been the way you decided to go, the truck would have served you well.

Enjoy the new truck!

(y)

Certainly I won't be doing anything as heavy duty as you, but good to see that the truck can handle all and more. (y)
 
lunchwagon said:
That blue Avalanche looks very nice, it would be my pick.  Having the 2-speed transfer case with 4 Low is a big plus in my opinion, which wasn't an option on the Caddy. 

Just a word of caution since you mentioned the bed size of the Colorado being too small.  The Avalanche bed may be larger than the Colorado, but it has far less space than a comparable shortbed full-size truck.  The lockable saddlebag compartments are great, but they take up a lot of the cargo room in the bed.

Can you elaborate on the transfer case? The EXT is full time AWD, what's the drawback in that (aside from worse MPG) vs. having 2Hi, Auto, 4Hi, 4Lo in the AV? More wear and tear? My Colorado is a ZR2, so I'm familiar with how it operates, but don't know much about full time AWD. Thanks for pointing out the  bed volume difference between AV and full size pickup truck. It's OK for my use.
 
The EXT's AWD system is an always engaged, single speed open differential all wheel drive set up.

It can not be turned off and you will not know it is working.

Under normal conditions about 60% of the engine's power is sent to the rear wheels and 40% is sent to the front wheels.

When there is a loss of traction at any wheel, the traction control system will automatically apply braking to that wheel so that power is sent to other wheels that still have traction.

This system is really fun on ice, where none of the wheels have good traction.

As soon as power is sent to one wheel that has traction, but quickly looses it, the system quickly tries to find a wheel that does have traction, causing that wheel to slip, and so on.

That does not happen often, but it can take a light touch on the throttle to keep the system from bouncing from wheel to wheel in search of some grip.

I have found the AWD system to work well in snow, but thankfully we do not get the deep and prolonged snow that other parts of the country do.

On wet pavement, I have found it is damn near impossible to break the tires loose, even under heavy throttle usage.

The truck just plants and goes.

The shift of traction works really well in this case.

Where this system probably falls short is in sloppy, off road conditions.

There is no low range, so high torque pulling ability is just not there.

Also, the four wheel drive systems work with a front differential that , when engaged, lock both front wheels together.

This would provided a better traction situation when the surface is loose, like mud or snow.

However, for best performance, the 4WD system should be turned off whenever driving on dry pavement, because with the two front wheels locked together, they can not rotate freely in turns.

The AWD system has no such concerns due to the open differential type front differential.

Both front wheels can always spin freely of each other.

On dry pavement, you can throttle as hard as you want and you most likely will not loose traction.

You just go.

I have an old Ford Explorer with traditional 4WD and my EXT with AWD.

They each have their own place.
 
In short... 4x4 can be slightly better mileage and is better in offroad conditions. AWD burns a little more gas but is better on the road since you don't have to turn it on and off for conditions. I have AWD on my CTS, and while it is not a truck, it handles FAR better in the snow than my Avy in 4x4 with the Traction control turned off on my CTS. Since I don't have an EXT I don't know the difference in mileage but they did come with the bigger engine and nicer creature features.

Again, I would get the EXT given both options at same cost. Unless you plan on doing a bunch of off roading. You won't regret it assuming both vehicles are similar maintenance wise.
 
Very nice summary there EXT4ME.  The one part I take exception to is:

EXT4ME said:
Also, the four wheel drive systems work with a front differential that , when engaged, lock both front wheels together.

To my knowledge, there was never a OEM front locking differential available on any Avalanche.  I'm not even sure there were any offered aftermarket.  The G80 rear mechanical locking diff is very common, however. 
 
redheadedrod said:
In short... 4x4 can be slightly better mileage and is better in offroad conditions. AWD burns a little more gas but is better on the road since you don't have to turn it on and off for conditions. I have AWD on my CTS, and while it is not a truck, it handles FAR better in the snow than my Avy in 4x4 with the Traction control turned off on my CTS. Since I don't have an EXT I don't know the difference in mileage but they did come with the bigger engine and nicer creature features.

Again, I would get the EXT given both options at same cost. Unless you plan on doing a bunch of off roading. You won't regret it assuming both vehicles are similar maintenance wise.

The EXT is actually $1,255 cheaper, not a big deal, but just to be exact when comparing numbers. Plus, the dealership provides a free 1 month 1000 miles warranty. AV dealership does not provide any warranty.
 
Very nice summary there EXT4ME.  The one part I take exception to is:

To my knowledge, there was never a OEM front locking differential available on any Avalanche.  I'm not even sure there were any offered aftermarket.  The G80 rear mechanical locking diff is very common, however.

I could be wrong.

It happens more than I would like.

My understanding is the front differential on a 4WD Avalanche uses an electronic actuator to lock a normally free wheeling, passenger side CV axle shaft to the differential when 4WD is activated.

In normal 4WD mode, 4-HI or 4-LO, both front CV axles shafts are being turned from power coming from the transfer case via the front differential, which is not an open differential and therefore does not allow slippage between the two front drive axles.

This would cause both front wheels to effectively be in lock step and would not be advisable while driving on dry, high traction surfaces.

When 2WD is selected, the transfer case is disengaged and the front differential actuator disengages the passenger side CV axle shaft from the front differential, allowing that shaft to spin independently of the front differential and the driver's side CV axle shaft.

Someone can clarify exactly which components are engaged when 4WD-Auto is selected, but my impression was the front differential actuator is disengaged and the transfer case actuator is engaged.

When loss of traction is detected, the front differential actuator engages, effectively placing the system in full 4WD until the low traction situation has passed.

With the passenger side axle shaft disengaged, it can once again spin independently of the driver's side axle shaft, but the transfer case remains engaged.

This mode would seem to place undue wear on the transfer case and reduce gas mileage during driving times when not actually needed.

But, that's the way I understand it and I could be mistaken.

What I know?

It may also be important to note that the G80 rear differential is sometimes erroneously referred to as a "limited slip" differential.

When in fact, it is a "locking" differential that uses a centrifugal locking mechanism to effectively lock both rear axles together when enough wheel spin is achieved.

A true limited slip rear differential uses a wet clutch pack system that holds both rear axles together all of the time, but the clutch pack allows each rear axle to slip as needed during turns.

That is why a "friction modifier" is added to the rear end lube of a limited slip differential.

There is no such wet clutch in a G-80 and therefore does not require a friction modifier.

When an Avalanche is being driven in 2WD mode or is just a 2WD truck and no excessive rear wheel spin is happening, those trucks are both open differential 1 WD vehicles.

Just like any other open differential rear end vehicle out there.
 
The EXT now says SOLD, I hope you pulled the trigger.
 
I think you'll like it, minus the gas mileage it's about the same as my 2500



Oppps congratulations.
 
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