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CHEVY AVALANCHE VS HUMMER H2

How many people think that a Chevy Avalanche with a six inch lift and 35's could out pull a stock 20

  • Avalanche with 35's

    Votes: 17 54.8%
  • Hummer H2

    Votes: 14 45.2%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .
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Dimension specs of each:

Avalanche (GMT900): WBase-130"; Track-(????); Length-221.3"; Ht-76.6"; Width-79.10"

Hummer H2: WBase-111.9'; Track-65.0"(F) & 65.5"(R); Length-188.1"(incls spare); Ht-73.0"; Width-85.6"(incls mirrors)


Now I ask you....does that sound like the same platform?


btw Darkhorse....you are very close.  The AVY is a "Glorious, Capable, Versatile, Incomparable, Unparalleled....Suburban (y)




(corrected spelling....cause my teacher hit me with a ruler)
 
Rocky07 said:
Dimension specs of each:

Avalanche (GMT900): WBase-130"; Track-(????); Lenght-221.3"; Ht-76.6"; Width-79.10"

Hummer H2: WBase-111.9'; Track-65.0"(F) & 65.5"(R); Lenght-188.1"(incls spare); Ht-73.0"; Width-85.6"(incls mirrors)


Now I ask you....does that sound like the same platform?


btw Darkhorse....you are very close.  The AVY is a "Glorious, Capable, Versatile, Incomparable, Unparalleled....Suburban (y)

Not close, right. The H2 shares the platform of the 2500 Suburban, as does the Avalanche 2500. The 1500 Avalanche shares the 1500 Suburban platform and is built in the same plant in Mexico.
 
DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
     I can see that we will not agree on any issue here. I have been a avid off-road enthusiast for 15 years and have had many different kinds of trucks and jeeps. and while I have had 2 jeeps that were built for rock crawling, they still cost me 19K in Mods just to be able to do 1/4 of the hard trails at moab. 

You couldve just had an H2 ;).  We all have our own idea of enthusiast means.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
In order to have a competition rock crawler you still have to spend around 100 K don't kid yourself.

3 minute search reveals this 1st place pro modified WEROCk buggy for sale for 19k--with 5 minutes Im sure I coudl find many more but this is just to show your ignorance
http://www.goldieoffroad.com/


DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
While I think fabtech makes a good product their tie rod ends are a 1 step up upgrade. like I said they are not bad just not the best.

Again, post your expertise in this arena not your unfounded opinion.  My expertise shows a 7,000lb truck running 37x13.50 tires on heavy 20in chrome rims with an engine producing 375ft. lbs of torque can run indesputable tough rock crawling trails and hold like a champ time and time again.  When factory tie rods snap like twigs im still trying to figure out who you are to say this is simply a 1 step up rather than very sufficient under extreme circumstances.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
As for my "trail pics" you are new to the board and I don't expect you to have seen all of them. most of the pics that are posted are from club GTG  where many of the trucks are stock. I'm sure you can appreciate that we don't go hard core with a stock truck. So I guess your "dirt roads" will have to do for club GTG's.

Please post then.  Search button is user friendly and the 4x4 pictures goes all the way back to 2004 by only page 4.  Not to hard to search.  Im glad you guys have fun just simply getting out but it by no means shows that you have any merrit to back up your statement your truck is more capable than any truck for that matter...this goes back to your opinion(and your dirt roads and sand).

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
I also want to point out that you read the previous posts completely as to not show your lack of reading ability. I said that I think a stock H2 would beat a stock AV.

AS to not show your lack of reading ability, I said your modified rig will have its hands full following a STOCK H2 on a trail worth wheeling.

 
DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5)link=topic=99751.msg1623394#msg1623394 date=1219438364]  I have wheeled all of the hardest trails in AZ and have also wheeled in Moab on two separate occasions. but I guess that does not qualify as hard core.[/quote] Pics or it didnt happen.  I would trust you but ive had a hard time finding anything on this site to substatiate this.  If i were to post a picture of a scenic drive through a desert said:
Maybe next time I will have to build A truck that can climb up the grand canyon.

Not necessary.  Just dont speak as you know of something as factual that is unsubstatiated.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
But I get better MPG and have a more capable rig than any stock H2.

Doubt it on both counts and if your truck is as highly modified as you say then you may have spent more money.  AVs are not cheap.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
Also I have a hard time understanding how you came to the conclusion that I am ignorant. I think in order to come to that conclusion you must have to have some evidence to say that I am lacking in knowledge or training.

One who is ignorant may never realize this.  You simply have no clue what you are talking about but rather sling around your opinion as if it is factual.  

To clear your clouded eyes have a look at this video.  Your lifted truck would have a VERY hard time with these obstacles as you just simply have way too much rear overhang.  Picture your modified rig doing what these stock rigs are doing with ease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71pjn-AR8PA
 
eeaton5 said:
     I can see that we will not agree on any issue here.

BTW, i offer a sincerely welcome you to wheel with me anytime.  Off the trail rivalry is fun games but on the trails its all about helping each other out.  We wont even give you a hard time when your highly modified rig takes bypass that our stock rigs are very capable of  :laugh:.
Here is our dirt roads(i highly recommend a locker here to keep you out of that tree root on the right ;)):

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And here is where the fun starts!

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My rig--the blue painters tape keeps the magnetic skins on at speed:
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eeaton5 said:
I have now pulled out 3 H2's out of the sand. I like the hummer but in stock form I don't think it will beat the avalanche. Granted my AV is highly modified but so were 2 of the hummers and they just could not handle the deep sand. I pulled one out of the wash for almost half a mile before it could make it out alone.

WOW!!   :eek:   

WB  >:D
 
Darkhorse said:
Any Florida H2 owners? There are monthly lunches in Jacksonville and Orlando, maybe our groups could get together sometime  :wave:
I'm in Florida with an H2 and a former Avalanche owner.  I'd love to have both actually.
Nice to meet you all.
 
Awesome pics man i love that sort of stuff. Ive got to say i am amazed at the amount response this thread has received i love it. But all things aside were all equal and all wheelers it all depends on the drivers capabilities. I would love to go Wheeling with you guys and if your ever in the fort smith area hit me and ill show you some good Arkansas mud. keep up the responses guys. I LOVE THIS! (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) And also welcome to all of you H2 owners. :welcome:
 
Yeah your 1 post got 3 new members (y)
 
BTW Boss Hoss, your hummer is not on a 2500 chassis it's a reinforced tahoe chassis unless your have rear leaf springs. GM does not make a 3/4 ton with coils springs, yes you do have 8 lug 3/4 ton axles.

The frame is Boxed. It still a great truck and does just as you folks enjoy doing off roading and rock climbing.
 
Karsun said:
I'm in Florida with an H2 and a former Avalanche owner.  I'd love to have both actually.
Nice to meet you all.
Welcome :welcome: be sure to check out the Region II Florida section, there's usually something going on.

What part of the state are you in?
 
Darkhorse said:
Any Florida H2 owners? There are monthly lunches in Jacksonville and Orlando, maybe our groups could get together sometime  :wave:

HEY! That's my truck! How in the hell have I missed this thread? I have 6 H2 recoveries on the books, 4 from deep sand, and 2 from "My retarded a$$ didn't pay attention to the tide coming in and now my truck is swimming in the ocean" Around here the H2 is nothing more than a soccer mommie status symbol that normally only sees off road use when the Prima Donna driving it has to go over a curb to cut someone else off and get to the closest parking place at the shopping mall faster. That being said, I would not go head to head against an H1 Alpha, but the H2 has nothing for me in the places I go........ I'm not built for rock crawling, but those trails look like they would be a blast. Every rig has its place, and every driver needs to know their place and their rig.

Heres a better shot of the decal (it has since been replaced with something more politically offensive) but it did look good!
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Here is a GPS trail map of my normal "patrol route" on the weekends:
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This is what happens to the idiots along this route:
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As the tide comes in, this area is completely submerged - the sign in the second pic only has about 2 1/2 feet of pole out of the water at high tide.....
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I will only replace my AV if I come across a crackhead deal on an H1 (preferably with the .50 cal mount still intact -  >:D) or if this comes to production......
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God I hope these pics were not excessive, undesired, or any other such derogatory adjective............  >:D  >:D  >:D
 
Mud Diver said:
...all things aside we're all equal and all wheelers it all depends on the drivers capabilities. I would love to go Wheeling with you guys

eeaton5 said:
I guess I will have to be the one to say that I love to wheel with anyone at any time driving any kind of rig. But I will not continue to badmouth and compere to see who has the most knowledge on vehicles. ... but overall I am a big fan of GM.  :B: 

I will badmouth to my best extent  >:D  I'm by no means a "wheeler" but capable of knowing the limits (usually) of my vehicle on sand, snow or ice.

Trash talking about trucks is just good fun or should be. I had a big CHEVY  :B:  bowtie and a large "Calvin Pee On FORD" in the back window of my Chevy S10 topper and some fool threw a chuck of cement thru the back glass.

I build Chevy Silverado HD and I would never harm a Honda Ridgeline with anything other than words  (y)

 
Rocky07 said:
Some people just have no class!

:offtopic:  and I'm one of them

I'll respect your property if you drive a Hummer or a Honda

H2 vs AV is amusing, they are different tools. I'd like to have one of each but that would be over expensive. I only need one truck
 
Boss Hoss said:
BTW, i offer a sincerely welcome you to wheel with me anytime.  Off the trail rivalry is fun games but on the trails its all about helping each other out.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
I guess I will have to be the one to say that I love to wheel with anyone at any time driving any kind of rig.

Hey numb nuts, did you not read my post.  You did not have to be the one to say you love to wheel with anyone--it was already said although you may sound like the nice guy if you pretend you offered first.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
I am a chemical engineer who works with the auto industry every day and I test and see many different kinds of trucks. I have even been to the hummer plant on their test track to test the H3 wich is a very capable off road truck.


Im not really interested in what you do for a living as that has no relevance on your lack of experience of offroading or your expertise to offer statement such as Fabtech tie rods are just one step up, or the H2 cannot shake a stick at my AV.  I have asked you to put up you on any trail of merrit however you cannot do so because you have not.  You are still welcome to do so at anytime, but if you can offer nothing but your imagination please refrain from speaking of the capabilities of your truck as driving down a sand road is hardly a test.

DESERTAV (formerly eeaton5) said:
I bought my truck stock for 20 K with 18K miles on it and have put 15-16 K in mods. and I am getting 18.3 MPG average here in AZ. So I would say that's pretty good. I love the hummer and I love the AV even more. but overall I am a big fan of GM.

Thats great! 


This is not a bash on AVs as i think the new gen AVs are nice--they are just meant to be a nice truck with the cool midgate option rather than a capable wheeling rig such as a H2.  BTW, did you know the H2 comes factory with rock sliders, 35in tires(can easily fit 37s),undercarraige protection and a rear locker--standard equipment, not optional!  Tell me how nice it would be able to wheel rated trails with your stock rig and having the peace of mind knowing you have a warranty!!!


Now that you have been slightly informed of the capabilities of the H2 I would like you to announce your truck will have a very hard time following a stock H2 on a trail with merrit(not a dirt road or a small sand pit).  This is obviously quite contrary to your original opinion but its ok as opinions are only as good as can be backed up.  Bottom line is even with your lift your wheel base leaves you succeptable to high centering and your overhangs will hang you up on rocks all day long.  Now you need to announce the capabilites of your modified AV will never shake a stick at the capabilities STOCK h2 on any trail that test the capabilites of a rig.  I too find the offroad capabilites of the AV vs a H2 humorous as they are two different animals.


 
Flint4x4 said:
Trash talking about trucks is just good fun or should be. I had a big CHEVY  :B:  bowtie and a large "Calvin Pee On FORD" in the back window of my Chevy S10 topper and some fool threw a chuck of cement thru the back glass.

Thats just terrible.  I have had someone spit on my rig before but it was more than likely a greeny as we are the poster children of "environmental destruction".  There is no excuse for such childish behaviour.
 
eeaton5 said:
I am happy for you. Your hummer is so great. its so great I think you should post all your H2 stuff on a hummer site. I was respectful to you and did not call you any names. but I guess that's how you need to show your intelligence. Maybe you should not post anymore on this avalanche site.

Boss either has a guilty conscience or anger management issues.......heck maybe both!!   :cool:

Who left the door open and let all the Hummers in here!!  Next thing ya know the H3 group will start joining to thump their chests at us too!!   :laugh:

WB  >:D

 
Lets get a couple facts in line

H2 uses its own frame: (sourced from motor trend)
How strong is the H2? It's built on a hybrid frame that blends the hydroformed front section from a three-quarter-ton Suburban, middle section of a three-quarter-ton HD Silverado, and rear section from a Tahoe, all boxed and reinforced for heavy-duty use. Great pains were taken to route all necessary vitals up out of harm's way. The fuel and brake lines, for example, are tucked up outboard of the frame. The rear differential housing has a flat pad on the bottom to allow the axle to slide over a rock or other object without getting snagged. Tubular-steel rocker-panel protection bars on the H2 are so stout that one side of the Hummer can be lifted by jacking anywhere along the bars' length. The undercarriage is protected, with skidplates for the engine/front crossmember, transfer case, fuel tank, and just about everything in between.

Hmmm proof of H2's offroad capabilities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71pjn-AR8PA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi0cK9x0XWw

Actually better yet this is the (Hummer moab) search on youtube. 
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=h2+moab&search_type=&aq=f

This is the (Avalanche moab) search
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=avalanche+moab&search_type=&aq=f  Hmmm guess the AV could not cut it?

Oh yeah and for the H3 Comment,  Well I would take an H3 on the trails anyday over an AV
Proof:  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=H3+moab&search_type=&aq=f


I really did try to find some good AV offroad footage but failed too???
And as far as Driving on Dirt roads  Well for some reason H2's do well with that too!  Need proof just look up race results for Team Hummer. 

Lets face it.  The AV is a great truck.  But when GM decided to get serious about offroad they decided it was time for HUMMER.












 
 

Lets face it.  The AV is a great truck.  But when GM decided to get serious about offroad they decided it was time for HUMMER.












if gm WAS serious the h2 would have a full floating rear axle, a 4l80e trans and a diesel or bigblock for climbing torque and could actually tow something and be safe!
 
jimbo53188 said:
 
Lets face it.  The AV is a great truck.  But when GM decided to get serious about offroad they decided it was time for HUMMER.

As long as we are talking straight here.  I bet the General saw dollar signs $$$ of potential profits instead of a "commitment to off-roading".  That little ride only lasted a short while.  Got to remember, bean counters are running American companies for their shareholders. 

Not speaking against the H2 or H3....I personally like them. Had an H2 for a short while but as a paving princess, it was    w----a----y  more than I needed.  Decided to let her go.
 
The H2's are a very nice vehicle and well built. Not my cup of tea, but very nice.
Since my brother worked at the GM Tech Center when they designed it, like I said they took the very best parts off the GM parts bin for the drivetrain but they did not want to spend a bunch of cash.
 
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