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Is this the OnStar to Bluetooth conversion that we've been looking for?

Yeah That is what I was afraid of...but look at that fresh bluetooth cigarette lighter button.  You like clean installs and that is as clean as it gets.  Unless you don't have to add any extra buttons or mics.  Thanks for the PM.
 
Nope all buttons are on the mirror even though you really don't need any buttons other than for the initial programing.  You just dial or answer the phone and it works through the sound system.
 
Found out that the Vizualogic kit is all inclusive but cuts need to be made to speaker wires, and mute wires.  Anyway,  if I wanted to save money this would be the best choice.
 
I've changed the bose amp in mine to a lux system and think I'd have to go back into that mess in order to put one of these in mine. I like the concept though.
 
omlifecrew said:
Check out this thread...Vizualogic Bluetooth
If this is for real I want this instead
http://chevroletforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18788

This is for '07 and up only... and non-Bose only.  That's two strikes against what I need.  I wanted something that
 
You're right, gn85.  My bad.   Coastal Tech, maker of the "GM Lockpick", is indeed a different guy than the one that runs CoStar Tech and makes the Bluetooth PnP module that disables OnStar and uses the OnStar microphone for handsfree calling.

The Bluetooth module I'm waiting for allows the continued use of OnStar, as well as the OnStar phone, for which I still have several hundred prepaid minutes left unused.  Having two phones in the car has proven to be useful at times, for conference calls.  While the OnStar phone seems expensive on a per minute basis (30 cents per minute), it is actually cheaper for use as a back up phone when compared to the cost to maintain an additional cellular number with Verizon at $10.00 per month, which must be paid whether or not it is used.  There is NO monthly cost to maintain the right and capacity to use the Onstar phone.  One only pays for the minutes used, not a a monthly "access" fee.

One advantage the OnStar Personal Calling phone is their Virtual Advisor service, which provides instant traffic and weather reports based on your current location as informed by the built in GPS locator service incorporated into the OnStar module.  Virtual Advisor also can provide stock quotes on a 15 minute trade delay basis.  Virtual Advisor USED to read you your emails, provided sports scores, and local movie information, but those extra servcies were deleted from the program by late 2006 or early 2007.  Virtual Advisor is linked with an online account, that you can use to preprogram up to 3 favorite routes (ie, your commute to work, the route to your kid's school, the route to the airport, etc),  which Virtual Advisor can report on independent of your current location when you pressed the white dot key for the service.  Selected stocks are entered into the the online account as well, for updates on demand from your vehicle.

The Virtual Advisor service is disabled if you convert the OnStar phone to an additional $10.00 a month cellphone line that shares minutes with an active Verizon plan.   Unless you have a Cadillac EXT, where it is possible to have Virtual Advisor AND have your OnStar built in phone link with your current Verizon plan to share minutes without paying OnStar independently for minutes.  Unfortunately, Chevrolet Avalanche OnStar systems lack this feature (one of GM's ways of distinguishing the Cadillac brand).  So to take advantage of Virtual Advisor, one must A) Subscribe to OnStar,  B) maintain the OnStar Personal Calling built in phone with OnStar by NOT converting the line into a Verizon shared minute plan, and C) have pre paid minutes ready to use with the OnStar phone.

At least one does NOT have to pay a separate monthly access fee for the OnStar phone.

But, any bluetooth system that disables OnStar to use the OnStar microphone will of course also disable the Virtual Advisor service.

I'd rather install a separate microphone to bluetooth my handheld.  Right now, I use the speakerphone feature of my handheld.  Works well.  I've also used a Bluetooth earpiece.

The holy grail would be a Car PC with a touch screen numeric keypad installed on a slide out LCD fitted into the single DIN slot of the center console, bluetoothed and speakered, autolinking when entering and exiting the truck.  It's just a lot of work and money to make this happen.

 
As anyone can tell by reading my posts, I DO NOT like OnStar at all.  So, please don't take this to be argumentative.  I just wanted to point out what I found to those who are no longer interested in OnStar's service yet still would like to use the hardware (microphone, speakers, radio interrupt, buttons on rear-view mirror).

My wife and I both have iPhones, so everything OnStar can do, I can do without paying the annual subscription fee which is thru the roof.

I used to have OnStar for a year, and my impression with OnStar in that year was so poor that I dropped my subscription and started looking for a way to utilize BlueTooth in my Av instead.

You brought up the Virtual Advisor.  I actually did like this feature and most of the time it seemed to work pretty well.  There were times the system would get confused, but for the most part it seemed to work well.  I did like how the GPS could locate me and tell me the weather and traffic around me.   I had my system set up for at the myonstar.com website and found this to be also be a nice feature.  Still, I was not totally satisfied with this feature either.  Like you mentioned, they've deleted some features.  A familiar theme with GM.  Also, I found the weather to be far to vague and inaccurate.  Many times I would be in a driving snowfall and it would simply say "cloudy".  I think it could be a little more specific or informative.

The traffic reports were actually very informative and surprisingly accurate. 

Then you mention the 'policy' that you can't have virtual advisor AND Verizon unless you're a Cadillac owner.  It's OnStar's policies that just show me that GM is more interested in making money that actually making a product that pleases it's consumers.  The last time I tried calling OnStar, was because I had a check engine light.  Instead of telling me what the code was, the only thing they told me was I needed to take it to a dealership the next day.  They refused to tell me the code because of 'policy'.  I'm sorry, but I don't pay that much money a year for someone to tell me I need to 'proceed to my closest dealership'.  Once again, GM is simply interested in my money and not in satisfying the customer.

There's also the email that alerts you to the maintenance of your vehicle.  OnStar told me that my Av was not eligible and I would not get this feature.  Despite clearly showing everyone at OnStar that other '03 Avs are getting this feature, I'm not getting it.  Why??  After OnStar realized that my truck was fully capable of reporting maintenance I was told that it's simply a feature they will not support on '03 vehicles any more.  Once again, something as simple as an email becomes a big deal.  Once again, OnStar sees money and not service.

I have other examples, but I really don't want this thread to be my soap-box for OnStar grievances.  But I also don't mind telling anyone and everyone about my OnStar experiences. 

Sorry again for the lengthy response. 
 
Wow, I appreciated that lengthy response.

It made me wonder if my numerous posts on the internet affected GM's Onstar policies regarding the reporting of trouble codes.  I stumbled across this capability by accident, and posted it frequently as a resource that subscribers should take advanatage of for the $200-$400 every year that Onstar subscribers must pay.  I probably should have kept my mouth shut, as it now appears, by your report, that Onstar will no longer provide you with the info they have about YOUR vehicle that YOU pay for, and on top of that pay them to track. 

Hmmm, that doesn't sound too good.  OnStar, if you are listening, note that if gn85's experience is what I should expect next time I call (which is less than once every two years), then I too, will be looking at alternatives.

One alternative in some populus metropolitan communities is dialing 511 for local traffic along commute corridors.

Another alternative available with Verizon Wireless is their VZ Navigator service, where, for $10.00 a month, you can have turn by turn navigation in your hand held phone, complete with 3D "bird's eye" maps, alternative routes, zoom capability, and voiced commands.  Recently, VZ Navigator was enhanced to include traffic, construction, and congestion reports along the navigated route.  These reports are about as updated as the Onstar Virtual Advisor, both of which are far better than XM traffic or the local news radio station.  VZ Navigator takes it a step further to include real time gas price comparisons at service stations.

I'm still keeping my OnStar in tact for now.  I will wait until they disappoint me personally before condeming them.  Onstar offered to send me monthly emails, but I refused.  I beleive that Onstar pushed for this in conjunction with GMAC financing and the insurance industry, in order to have a lawful reason to "track" and monitor mileage data on your vehicle even if you do not push the OnStar blue dot button.

As I understand the service agreement, Onstar can only llawfully collect data from a vehicle upon customer request, be it by phone call to report lost keys, lock out, or stolen vehicle... or from the blue star button within the vehicle.  Any other tracking uninitiated by the consumer would be considered an invasion of privacy.  However, if the consumer signs up for the monthly email report, that gives Onstar "standing permission" by the consumer to connect with the vehicle periodically without that connection being initiated by the consumer.  Having this standing permission offers very useful asset tracking authority by leasing companies, and is helpful to insurance companies as well, since vehicle mileage is reported every time a connection is made with Onstar.

My rig is paid for, but I still didn't like the idea of granting OnStar standing permission to connect with the vehicle anytime they choose.  Of course, they still can from a technological point of view, provided the vehicle battery is still connected.  But from a legal standpoint, they shouldn't, because I have not requested them to.  This is at least how I understand it to be.

And now, back to blue tooth...
 
Unfortunately we are stuck with On* for at least another 14 or so years.  Patent laws will keep every one from jumping in with a better systems.  Harley had a good 25 year run before all their patents went away with the Vtwin engine, now every one on the planets makes a big Vtwin and makes them better.  I think the min patent dropped a little from 25 years to 20 years, but On* only been around now for 6 years or so, they have a long run ahead before someone else can jump in with a better system....sad, but true....so if some one else wants to put a similar system cheaper and or better, patent laws will ... :beating:..too death.
 
GoNavy429 said:
Unfortunately we are stuck with On* for at least another 14 or so years.  Patent laws will keep every one from jumping in with a better systems.  Harley had a good 25 year run before all their patents went away with the Vtwin engine, now every one on the planets makes a big Vtwin and makes them better.  I think the min patent dropped a little from 25 years to 20 years, but On* only been around now for 6 years or so, they have a long run ahead before someone else can jump in with a better system....sad, but true....so if some one else wants to put a similar system cheaper and or better, patent laws will ... :beating:..too death.

I'm sure that could depend on how they put the patents on the service.  I would love to see another company come out with something better.  OnStar is already obsolete, but by the time their patent expires, it'll be completely obsolete and probably expired by that point.
 
Me too, the quickest way I know to get that $200 a year price tag down and get some plug & play upgrades would be some good old American competition going on...... :laugh:....it pisses me off that I have an 08 without Bluetooth, and even I wanted to pay to get what the 09's  have, I can't do it, because On* won't do it.....sucks....because you know if they wanted to make an upgrade box, they could, they just don't want too, and as long as there is NO competition, they don't have too.
 
Who cares about the service? All I care about (and the OP's original request) is to use the hardware that I already own in the truck.

I bought my Av used & have never bothered to use the Onstar due to the yearly fees. I won't use VZ Nav for the same reason. But Garmin, TomTom & Magellan all make GPSs that have navigation & Bluetooth functionality built into them. My Garmin has no recurring fees & all the BT functionality, despite the fact that I had to figure out what additional hardware to install to make it work with the existing system. I would hope that more companies would develop easy to install packages that allow an owner to pull the Onstar module out & plug in whatever they want, allowing them to use the system that they already own.

Even better, I wish there was a cellular system built into the truck that would allow me to use as I see fit.... ie; unlock the doors, start the truck & warm it up, use as a phone, etc.
 
One advantage to the Onstar phone in the GMT800s is that it uses a full 3 watt transceiver, as opposed to the 0.5 watt transceiver of all handheld cellphones.  The full 3 watts of power, combined with the extrenally mounted rooftop antenna, are the most likely contributors to my observation that in remote areas where my handheld cellular has long lost any signal, the Onstar phone still works.  Since my handheld is Verizon, which supposedly has the most towers, and since Onstar uses the Verizon network, the increased signal strength of the Onstar phone is most likely not the result of a network difference, but the result of the improved hardware capacity of Onstar 3 watt transceiver with remote antenna.

In finding a system to replace the Onstar, I would want a hands free car kit that utilized an external antenna and a 3 watt transceiver.  These were commonplace in the days of analog cell phones, but the question is, are 3 watt available for todays E911 digital phones?  That would be another ideal feature to have, in addition to a bluetooth hands free access to the hand held phone's address book, calling directory, and voice mail box.
 
AirJunky said:
All I care about is to use the hardware that I already own in the truck.  I would hope that more companies would develop packages that allow an owner to pull the Onstar module out & plug in whatever they want, allowing them to use the system that they already own.


If the Onstar module is disabled, then what  "original equipment" that is "already owned in the truck" is actually being utilized?

If I were to guess, then it might be:

1.  The Onstar microphone
2.  The Onstar on-off switch
3.  The truck speakers

Is there anything else?

Is a switch and a microphone the expense of the PnP kit?
 
AirJunky said:
Even better, I wish there was a cellular system built into the truck that would allow me to use as I see fit.... ie; unlock the doors, start the truck & warm it up, use as a phone, etc.

I don't think its cheap but it will do what you want.

http://www.connect2car.com/web/index.php



 
CoveredAV said:
One advantage to the Onstar phone in the GMT800s is that it uses a full 3 watt transceiver, as opposed to the 0.5 watt transceiver of all handheld cellphones.  The full 3 watts of power, combined with the extrenally mounted rooftop antenna, are the most likely contributors to my observation that in remote areas where my handheld cellular has long lost any signal, the Onstar phone still works.  Since my handheld is Verizon, which supposedly has the most towers, and since Onstar uses the Verizon network, the increased signal strength of the Onstar phone is most likely not the result of a network difference, but the result of the improved hardware capacity of Onstar 3 watt transceiver with remote antenna.

In finding a system to replace the Onstar, I would want a hands free car kit that utilized an external antenna and a 3 watt transceiver.  These were commonplace in the days of analog cell phones, but the question is, are 3 watt available for todays E911 digital phones?  That would be another ideal feature to have, in addition to a bluetooth hands free access to the hand held phone's address book, calling directory, and voice mail box.

I used to have Verizon and always found that they had a really good signal no matter where I went.  I've never had a problem with Verizon, although I'm sure there are those who disagree.

That would be nice to have a 'repeater' using the 3 watt transciever.  I'm sure somebody will come up with something. 

I'd like to see the Caller ID on the DIC.  That'd be slick for me.
 
gn85,

Luck has changed here you go check this out. http://cgi.ebay.com/03-GM-Chevrolet-Bose-HandsFree-BlueTooth-Phone-Car-Kit_W0QQitemZ140297055585QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1498QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
 
Not a bad find.  Price is similar.  Plus it requires running the mic and installing the button and losing a lighter.  I could imagine this allows you to keep OnStar.  It doesn't say.  Like the PnP a lot better than splicing.  Just not a 5 min install.  I think I'm gonna order my CoStar in the coming days.

I'm still sticking with what I found. 

omlifecrew said:
gn85,

Luck has changed here you go check this out. http://cgi.ebay.com/03-GM-Chevrolet-Bose-HandsFree-BlueTooth-Phone-Car-Kit_W0QQitemZ140297055585QQihZ004QQcategoryZ1498QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262
 
mike-atl said:
I just got mine.  It took me 5 minutes to plug it in and setup my Blackberry.  Works flawlessly.  FINALLY, hands free BT without cutting into my wiring harness or replacing the head unit.  I highly recommend this unit.

I sorry but a little confused.  Which kit did you actually get.  I too would like the hands free through the on star that I nevvered used.

RON
 
What is your price for this item?

RON

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Everytime I click that website my spyware/virus software goes on alert warning of a replicating virus :beating:

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thomsen05 said:
Everytime I click that website my spyware/virus software goes on alert warning of a replicating virus :beating:

I got the same warning when I checked out that site.

RON
 
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