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They should stop worrying about the safety of adults who have a choice and spend more time with issues like schoolbuses.

Our children don't have seatbelts in schoolbuses!

Instead of the 40 year old who has control of the bike and can make an educated decision about wearing a helmet, :8: concentrate on the 5yr old who is bouncing around unrestrained in the back of a bus on a county road!
 
Hey RED
Before you start bashing police officers remember that members of this club work in all professions, including law enforcement. I just happen to be one of those members. It sounds like you have no one but yourself to blame for receiving a ticket. I have been an officer for over 12 years and I can attest that most people talk their way into getting a ticket. People have to realize that we are just doing our jobs. You just happened to caught in a sobriety check point(big deal),you made it home safe and that police department probably made several good dwi arrests that night. Now how would you feel if you were in an accident and that other driver was drunk, and God forbid you or your family was injured. You would be blaming the police for not doing more to stop drunk driving. See my point, "Damned if we do,damned if we don't". Swallow your pride and pay the ticket, after all you already said you weren't wearing a seatbelt. Besides the front of the AV is an suv and the back half is a truck.
 
Ah Peter . . . you crack open a whole new can of worms with the freedom of choice line of thinking. I'd love to give you the freedom of choice to not wear a seatbelt or motorcycle helmet . . but, I don't want to pay the cost of your choice through higher auto medical insurance premiums to cover the cost of putting put you back together after you crash.

Just as life insurance companies can reject smokers, I'd support exclusions of coverage for insurance companies in the event of injuries when not wearing seatbelts or helmets. Like it or not, your freedom of choice does impact others - in this modern world, none of us are as independent as we'd like to think that we are.
 
Time spent in random check points could be time spent on more important things.

Random check points are "Cops" lame way out of trying to earn money for the county they are in.

From my own experience, my father being a "Cop", law enforcement officials missuse their power.

My opinion......and you know what they say about opinions!! (.)
 
fp7937 said:
Hey RED
Before you start bashing police officers remember that members of this club work in all professions, including law enforcement. I just happen to be one of those members. It sounds like you have no one but yourself to blame for receiving a ticket. I have been an officer for over 12 years and I can attest that most people talk their way into getting a ticket. ?People have to realize that we are just doing our jobs. You just happened to caught in a sobriety check point(big deal),you made it home safe and that police department probably made several good dwi arrests that night. Now how would you feel if you were in an accident and that other driver was drunk, and God forbid you or your family was injured. You would be blaming the police for not doing more to stop drunk driving. See my point, "Damned if we do,damned if we don't". Swallow your pride and pay the ticket, after all you already said you weren't wearing a seatbelt. Besides the front of the AV is an suv and the back half is a truck.
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I too am an police officer. And seatbelt tickets are great examples of "attitude tickets". As the above officer says you (the violator) can talk your way into a ticket. The cop is just out there trying to make sure that drunk drivers don't plow into "nice" familes like yours. Somethimes they pull over the drunks and other times they puller over you. Now maybe the cop is having a bad day for having to work on the fourth and miss spending it with his family. Or maybe he really is a jerk. Either way, you don't have to be a kiss ass, just be respectful and answer his questions and give him what he needs. Calling him a "prick" is not the smartest thing to do. And for telling him your not going to pay the ticket, he doesn't care. Because the Dept. of Lic. will suspend your license and when you get pulled over again you may lose your beautiful A/V. Or telling him you are going to take him to court...HA!! I love that one....that just means I get a $100 in overtime. So bring it on. Bottom line...don't break the law. And if you do, say sorry, I messed up. And 95% of the time you'll get off with a warning (at least with me!).
 
CQB4Me said:
?I too am an police officer. ?And seatbelt tickets are great examples of "attitude tickets". ?As the above officer says you (the violator) can talk your way into a ticket. The cop is just out there trying to make sure that drunk drivers don't plow into "nice" familes like yours. Somethimes they pull over the drunks and other times they puller over you. Now maybe the cop is having a bad day for having to work on the fourth and miss spending it with his family. Or maybe he really is a jerk. Either way, you don't have to be a kiss ass, just be respectful and answer his questions and give him what he needs. Calling him a "prick" is not the smartest thing to do. And for telling him your not going to pay the ticket, he doesn't care. Because the Dept. of Lic. will suspend your license and when you get pulled over again you may lose your beautiful A/V. Or telling him you are going to take him to court...HA!! I love that one....that just means I get a $100 in overtime. So bring it on. Bottom line...don't break the law. And if you do, say sorry, I messed up. And 95% of the time you'll get off with a warning (at least with me!).
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I hope you are the one to pull me over the next time
yes sir officer
I'm sorry :) ;) ;D
 
For healthy discussion's sake, how about a compromise? Like maybe if the average, law abiding citizen is subjected to a sobriety checkpoint then that is the only potential charge to which they would be subjected? In other words, eliminate the criticism (true or false) that the checkpoint is set up to look for any criminal activity arguably without probably cause. I suspect that any good officer would find it difficult to ignore someone without a seatbelt in such a case, but it seems like a fair compromise to me.
 
Im not an officer...but I agree what the other officers have said. BE RESPECTFUL! They have a very tough job to keep us safe. I have nothing but admiration to their profession. I know I couldnt do it. I have been let go 4 times for speeding...and I think it was my being respectful and saying I was sorry for speeding. But then again I have had 3 speeding tickets since then...so it doesnt always work...but I was still guilty! Hmmm...is that a speeding trend? ???
 
Play nice with the officer. Ya' don't have to like it. Just makes it easier and quicker to get back on your way. Some (not all) cops out thier live for the power trip. You don't know which one is pulling you over. Why make things worse for yourself?
 
On the topic of the check points, they have them every weekend here in Lafayette LA. they air the location on the news as to where they will be set up and they still catch people ;D I got hit head on by a drunk driver in 87 and lived to tell about it. I have no problem with going through these check points. usually takes at the most 10 minutes and back on the road. i spent 8 hours in the emergency room after that guy hit me.
I know there are power freaks out there, i think the percentage is very low, you just have to learn how to recognize them and deal with them.
my .02 cents.................... When you can't deal with them, if you are in the right i call the DA and talk to him and he usually helps out a little and keeps it off my record.
zeeya
 
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