SubSolutions Questions??

[manny]

I blew the woofers inside I fudged up royally.

Is there a way to open up the enclosure and see if I could mess around with it? Maybe put new woofers inside it?

Manny

 

[carrerarod]

I blew the woofers inside ? I fudged up royally.

Is there a way to open up the enclosure and see if I could mess around with it? Maybe put new woofers inside it?

How did you do that? If you open the box I doubt you will ever be able to get it back together.....

Warranty?

 

[zimmthumps]

How did you manage that?
How much power were you putting to it?

Hopefully they might do some kind of warranty work for you.

I wouldn't try taking it apart until you talk to them.


You beat me to the draw on that one C-rod...

 

[manny]

I kinda cranked it up toooo high and went boom! I bought it used so any kind of warrenty went straight out the window. The thing is, it was shipped UPS to me and I think they dropped it because it's all cracked. I notified the seller and he had showed me pics prior to selling me the box.
I didn't know your saying about the "cry once when you buy" until after I bought it.

I guess I just will have something made?

Manny

 

[carrerarod]

I kinda cranked it up toooo high and went boom! I bought it used so any kind of warrenty went straight out the window. The thing is, it was shipped UPS to me and I think they dropped it because it's all cracked. I notified the seller and he had showed me pics prior to selling me the box.
I didn't know your saying about the "cry once when you buy" until after I bought it.

I guess I just will have something made?

Sorry to hear....Unless you were driving it with 500+ Watts continuous...I think you probably bought a defective box.... you might want to conisder getting your money back from either UPS or the eBay dude you bought it from. JMHO

 

[DS]

If you want to scrap the box, i'll buy it and re-driver it to see what the thing actually is and how it performs, although I think you tested it thoroughly already. I need one since a few people jumped my case about bashing its design without owning one. This just proves the point, to an extent.

 

[carrerarod]

If you want to scrap the box, i'll buy it and re-driver it to see what the thing actually is and how it performs, although I think you tested it thoroughly already. I need one since a few people jumped my case about bashing its design without owning one. This just proves the point, to an extent.

With all due respect, this proves absolutely nothing. He bought the box used off of eBay and it arrived damaged and cracked. Who knows if the drivers got damaged in the process or how the original owner treated it.

But I guess you are more than welcome to purchase the box and report back to us how much you dislike this product...

 

[BlackAv2002]

With all due respect, this proves absolutely nothing. He bought the box used off of eBay and it arrived damaged and cracked. Who knows if the drivers got damaged in the process or how the original owner treated it.

But I guess you are more than welcome to purchase the box and report back to us how much you dislike this product... ?

We have more than a few happy members that own the box including CarraraRod, NYAvalanche, Mike56ba and strichart01 just to name a few, ?that have all posted that the box serves its purpose and does work. ?

This box is not for everyone but what product out there today suits the needs of everyone. ? There is not one product that works for everyone the same way. ?
The sub solutions box speaks for itself and does provide plenty of bass for the likings of most. ?But here is where the problems arise.

when the subsolutions box is raised to very high levels the box cannot handle what a larger box can handle because of its size and the small driver that is in the box. ? Now when the box is being played at a listening volume level that 85% of most people listen to,?it works very well. ?

The one thing that the stealth box has on the subsolutions box is that you are right on top of the stealth box and the subsolutions is behind the back seat so the soundstage is greater for the subsolutions than it is for the stealthbox.

Another thing to take into consideration is that the subsolutions was designed for a two seater pick up truck or extended cab So by placing it in a Larger vehicle such as a full size Av the effect that you would get from the Subsolutions box in the Av isnt as great as in a smaller vehicle.

This box is not competition sound but show me any 6.5 or 7" driver that is used for primary bass in competition. ?85% of all av owners would probably be very happy with these boxes. ?The two complaints that I heard from members that bought the box is it sounded good until you really cranked the box up..... well you can crank the box up but at higher levels you are not going to get the same response out of it that you get from the lower levels. You will get teh loudness but it is impossible for a box of its size to reproduce the low range at such a high volume range. ??But that is where you need a larger driver and a considerable amount of airspace for that driver to reproduce. ?So even if we took an 8" JL audio driver and built a box under the back seat or a box behind the seat we still couldnt come up with enough airspace to satisfy the driver or the listener at a very high volume level.


I can understand that DS has a very high standard when it comes to car audio and that is fine he is entitiled to his opinion. DS has stated more than once how he dislikes the box without even hearing it and even if he did hear it and liked it I doubt he would admit it. ?

So let the official CAFCNA record show his opinion on the box and this way he doesnt have to state it for all of us to read over and over again. ?

And as an added bonus DS doesnt have to waste any of his money getting a subsolutions box to prove to all of the members that do own a subsolutions box that we dont know what works and sounds good and could work for many other members as well to suit their needs.

This is not the only band pass enclosure on the market and as we all can see DS is not a band pass Advocate. ? But this is the only enclosure that we have found that will fit in our AV and work better than anything else that has come about to date. ?

Instead of DS telling all of us how bad the sub solutions is and his continuing effort to prove to the group of members that like the box wrong, ?I and other members here would like to see his expertise of building a box that solves our solution. ?That would help the members far greater than any opinion on a specific product. ? If he could come up with a solution then either he could build the box to sell to the club members for profit ?or furnish us with building plans for our members. ?that would be a great help for all of the members of this club.

DS claims in his previous posts that he could build an enclosure that would work much better than the subsolutions box. ?Well instead of all of us arguing about what is good to one and bad to another, ?why dont we all summon a fellow Av owner that is a professional in the Car Audio Field to help solve the very big problem of bass and the versatility of still having full operation of our trucks.
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The sub solutions box works the way it does due to the design of the drivers that it uses. ?So by someone re-drivering it, unless using a driver of the same specs the box will only sound worse than what the few that are bashing it say it sounds now.

Now as far as mannys box, ?If it is not beyond shipping damage then the box can be repaired. ?I have PMed him to contact me and I will see what I can do as far as if the box is still under warranty from the original owner and to find out how old the box is.

Manny heard the subsolutions that NY avalanche has in his truck so Manny is aware of what the sub sounds like and that is why he bought one. ?Manny was just trying to get a deal on a used one and unfortunately may not have been so lucky. ?If there is anyway to solve mannys problem I will be happy to help. ?

I put together this group deal not to start a controversy or any arguments or wars, ?I put it together with Rod to Help the members of the Club get the box at a substantial discount. ? ?
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We all have our opinions and are entitled to express them, ?but to keep beating an issue until it bleeds and dies is only going to hurt the members of this group by causing other discounted group buys to not happen because the aggrevation of having to defend that group buy will not be worth the good gesture for fellow club members.

I have a subsolutions Box in my Av that will be available for any group or member in NY NJ CT PA OR DE to be able to hear. ?Any Group coordinators that would like to make arangements with me for your group to hear the box please get intouch with me. ?This way your group can get in on the opinion of how the subsoutions sounds. ?For any other members around the country ?we now have members in CA. FL, St. Louis, WV, WA as well as other areas that have a subsolutions installed that you can get a local opinion and maybe even a listen of how it sounds.



As a Halloween special the First Six People to email me before October 31st get the subsolutions box with shipping included. ?

Subsolutions $315.00

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[manny]

I am actually a big fan of the SubSolutions box. I like the improvement. I'm really not looking for that "world crushing" bass. I bought the sub knowing how it sounds. I heard NYAVALANCHE's sub first and then made my decision. I could have went the other way, to JL but I was impressed with SubSolutions. Also, I didn't want to lose my center console space. I think for the space that we have to work with, SubSolutions is the best thing for our trucks. Don't get me wrong, I know we can make/cut/chop/rig/engineer/faccock something, but that means spending big bucks.

Thanks BlackAV

Manny

 

[NYAVALANCHE]

I kinda cranked it up toooo high and went boom! I bought it used so any kind of warrenty went straight out the window. The thing is, it was shipped UPS to me and I think they dropped it because it's all cracked. I notified the seller and he had showed me pics prior to selling me the box.
I didn't know your saying about the "cry once when you buy" until after I bought it.

I guess I just will have something made?

Manny

Boy, your wife is gonna kick your a** !!

 

[strichart01]

I am sure Subsolutions will work with you on the warranty of the box.. Especially since our club is a nice advertisment for the product.

As for mine... It still rocks. I think it does a very nice job for what space we have to work with.. You can equalize the system to adjust (somewhat) for the acoustics and lack of driver mass. This is a speaker that should not be underdriven but must not be overdriven.

I have been in car audio for over 15 years and I still say this box is a solid buy..

 

[DS]

Hey, I wasn't griping; I was merely offering to buy the dead box for the sole purpose of tearing it down, re-drivering it, checking out how it works, and selling it again on this forum for the cost I bought it for and the price of the added drivers, which are cheap.

The "no space for bass" problem was never in existance, to be totally honest. The Subsolutions box has to be moved to lower the tailgate. A box under the seat with a larger driver capable of higher output at lower cycles also has to be moved to lower the midgate. There is no distinct advantage of the SS box.

 

[BlackAv2002]

Hey, I wasn't griping; I was merely offering to buy the dead box for the sole purpose of tearing it down, re-drivering it, checking out how it works, and selling it again on this forum for the cost I bought it for and the price of the added drivers, which are cheap.

The "no space for bass" problem was never in existance, to be totally honest. The Subsolutions box has to be moved to lower the tailgate. A box under the seat with a larger driver capable of higher output at lower cycles also has to be moved to lower the midgate. There is no distinct advantage of the SS box.

The distinct advantage of the subsolutions box is that it can be removed by one person in a matter of a minute or two ?which a box that would work to your likings would probably take two people to remove and take far more time. ?also the sub solutions box is compact enough to remove on the fly and keep in the truck while not taking up much space when the midgate is lowered without any worry of damage to the box. ?that wouldnt be possible with a bulkier box under the seat or in the bed.

As far as you trying to buy the box and re-driver it and sell it on the forum. ? if you are that handy why dont you just design and build a box to help the members of this club achieve what you want them to achieve and give them an optionof not having to ?go with the subsolutions box. ?I do know that you listed other options regardign the issue ?but you didnt list any option that hasnt been discussed before you even jooined the club.

So far everything that you have stated has only been your negative views regarding the box but you are willing to purchase a dead box and re-driver it to sell to someone even though you think so low of the product.

We have people that like the box and then we have DS. ? So I make you an offer DS, ?come up with a solution that serves better than the subsolutions for the money and then I will get rid of the group buy and end the subsolutions relationship with the CAFCNA. ?Until you do come up with a better solution why dont you do all of us a favor and just ignore any further threads or posts about this product since your views have been heard many times before and you are not adding any new valuable information to any of the subsolutions threads,

I do commend you for some of the advice that you have given fellow members in your posts, but for all we know you could be taking that word for word from a manual or magazine. ?Regardless it is information posted by you that is of value. ?

Find another product to rip apart. ?In this world we are entitled to our opinion which you have had many times regarding this product on this board. ? But I have never seen anything ripped to shreads like you have done to this product.

you dont like the box FINE, ?end of story there are more members that do like the box and would recommend the box in a second to a fellow member. ? Then there is you who hasnt even heard the box.

If you are the expert that you say you are regarding car audio then build the club a box that they can either have built or have you build that will suit the needs of everyone, fit behind the seat so amps and storage is not compromised under the seat and it is easy enough for one person to put in the truck and take out of the truck. ?Then your comments on this topic would be worth more to many of our members.

This board is a friendly enviroment that we can all thanK three people for starting and continuing, ?and we all have our right to express how we feel on an issue or product regarding our Av's.

But I think you have a vendetta regarding the subsolutions product. ? Why is that? ?Regardless if you do or you dont, ?I think it is time that you put your negative issues to bed and realize that we all know how you feel on the subsolutions issue. ?Some of the members may or may not take your views into consideration when they decide to purchase it or not.

I have been accused of harrasing DS and lorienser_1 ?by one member of this club with my responses to their?past posts and views on the subsolutions. ?

If I am harrasing, ?then what is DS doing to a product that he hasnt even heard, he is just speculating and deciding for all of our musical tastes. There are plenty of members pleased with the box that have heard and bought the box and have it in their truck. ?I think DS' views and reviews of the product has gone beyond opinion. ?

I am member like all the rest of you members that tried to help out and put togther a good deal for you fellow members. ?And as a member I am tired of what I am seeing from a very few members ripping this product apart beyond the review or opinion standpoint of a post. ?You dont like it fine say that and be done with it. ?And let the other members decide for themselves. Have we forgotten the more than a few posts from members liking the box??

 

[manny]

I wouldn't say that BlackAv is herassing DS. I would say he's giving his own opinion on how he feels about his posts.

To the person whom which said that BlackAv was herassing DS, what do you think DS is doing to Subsolutions?

Don't get me wrong, I love this club. I tell all my friends that I belong to elite community of friends with kick-as trucks. I appreciate anyone that gives me any piece of advice. I really do. That goes for DS as well. I thank him for his review, but it doesn't mean that I agree with him. I think he has made his point and is now starting sound like my wife.........An EFFIN Nag! I thank God that I don't hear his voice over my speakers, because if he nag like my wife it starts to go supersonic and then only dolphins can understand her. She'll start saying thing in Italian and then it's a whole mess.(PLEASE, Just shoot me now )
Anyway, as for me selling my box, I think I'm going to have to pass. I don't want to be the cause of the next thread of slamming towards SubSolutions. But thanks for the offer.

Manny

 

[zimmthumps]

Let's please put these SS disagreements behind us. Even though DS has apparently never heard it, he can state his opinion that he dislikes the box.
90% of those that have heard the box are very happy with it. Members can make up their own mind on the subject.
I myself like louder and deeper bass than most. I rarely have more than two people in the back, and don't mind taking a minute to remove a 30lb box and throw it in the back, when I need to use the midgate (which is very rare). So my set-up is perfect for the amount of bass I wanted.
If I was a family man, with kids, and using the midgate frequently, my set-up would not work, and I would have to go with something similar to the SS.

Opinions have been stated...
Please stop these disagreements.
Thank You,

Your friendly A/V moderators

 

[DS]

BlackAv2002, Calm down before you have a stroke. I am not jumping on the group buy! No amount of long-winded posts will change anything. I am simply offering to buy a dead box from anyone who has one sitting around, blown to shreds and so forth, so that I can test it myself, redriver it, and take measurement in-car with it. These will simply be a reference point for comparison for an enclosure that I'll build to take your challenge.

 

[manny]

DS at this point just let it go. Everyone has heard your opinion as far as the SS goes. Don't get me wrong, we value your opinion, it's just if I give/sell you my SS you'll just tear it apart and go on 4ever with how it's not up to standard.

What are are you from? Maybe somebody with the SS could hook up with you and let you hear it. It's a great sounding sub for it's size. I was impressed, albeit not the loudest or deepest bass I've ever heard, but it's a good quality sound. I used to install HU when I was 16 for this guy in PA. He had a 944 Porsche with a single 18" JBL sub powered by 1000 watt amp, (I think it was called Collasal?), and when he cranked up the volume and bass, he would shatter the rear hatch window. He shattered his window 3 times until he realized that he was an idiot for cranking it up not once, not twice because he didn't learn the first time, but the third time when he said, "I should have known better to do that".

That poor Porsche never had a chance.

When I lived in Sicily, there was a guy we called "Tume-semi". We called him that because everytime he drove his Fiat Uno you would hear his music. And it was allways the same song. From far away it sound like this: Tume-semi, Tume-semi, Tume-semi, Tume-semi. He was another idiot. He'd put 3000 lira in gas in his car so he was able to drive for about 10 miles. 3000 Lira at that time was about a $1.40
Gas in Italy is sold by the Liter for 2250 Lira. So he'd get just about a Liter and a spit of gas. This idiot had no money what-so-ever. He had a car with a kick ass system in it, but no money to fill it up. One time he ran out of gas and I offered to push his car to the gas station to fill up and he put 500 lira in, which was $0.21 just so he could make it back to his house which we had passed when I was pushing his car to the gas station!
Now the moron knew he had NO money, but he insisted on cranking up his system and guess what?........He'd shatter his window and get it fixed to shatter it again and again and again.



Manny

 

[zimmthumps]

Those are some wierd a$$ stories...

Some bassheads just can't quit. The louder you play, the deafer you get, the louder you need it. A viscious circle...