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Why Does No One Reply Here??

bmontini

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I am very supprised at all the taggings we get posted here, and how little we get responses.

In order to facilitate getting more reponses, I added my username and instructions on how to leave a note back on this board to say that they looked at the site. Maybe it will help...

Thoughts??
 
I know I need to print out some more. I haven't noticed anyone coming on that I have tagged. I like the idea though of putting our personal info on it. I will have to edit the file and do that. Need to find my Acrobat now.

 
kegger ... You shouldn't modify the PDF itself. Try stamping or labeling your info on the back for them to contact you locally.

Also, I think it would help if everyone would describe the AV and give the location in the topic name as some are doing. It will make it easier for them to find your post.
 
Goo... I guess I gave him the idea... Maybe I should clarify.

In the Blank space above teh CAFCNA logo, I added a Text Box in Adobe Acrobat.. Here is the back middle panel...

info.jpg


That is the only "modification" I made... do you think that this is a problem?? ?If you think it is, I will remove it from my flyers..
 
bmontini,

The official policy is "Please don't change this document in any way!" It is easy to change the content and/or format accidentally if we all start MODIFYING the actual PDF. What we do down here is put a mailing label with our local chapter info on the back.

Thanks.

 
goo929 said:
?What we do down here is put a mailing label with our local chapter info on the back.

Goo,

Could you scan a pic of your mailing label as an Example for all to see?

Thanks
 
I just hand write my web name, and email and if I talk to the person I tell them to send me any email if they join....oh ya if forgot I tagged a white Z71 today in La Grande >:D
 
I guess there are various reasons why we don't see people posting, as a result of being tagged. ?One of the things to keep in mind is most people get to this site because THEY ARE LOOKING for info. ?Meaning, they are interested in finding out more about their Avs. ?

I've done quite a number of tags since the club started. ?Some of them involved verbal tags. ?Many people I've talked with are ambivalent about a club. ?They bought the truck, use it, and that's about their level of interest. ?It's strictly a utility item to them and that's about as far as they need to be involved with it. ?They have lives apart from their Av and couldn't be bothered. ? :eek: :rolleyes: ;)

Other people take the tagging as a form of spam. ?I tagged a guy the other day and he was absolutely furious that anyone put ANYTHING on his Av. ?He was livid! :8: ? I changed my mind about trying to explain the club to him. ?That's fine. ?I don't want anyone coming near my Av, so I know how the guy might have felt.

Another reason we might not be seeing people posting after being tagged is that some people prefer to be lurkers. ?They may not be the message board type and are satisfied at sampling the huge amount of info on the site.

And still another reason is that some people don't feel comfortable at delurking. ?If you are one of those people and are reading this, we would really like to hear from you. ? If you take some time to read through some of the gazzilion threads here, you will find this is probably one of the most civil, non-judgemental, welcoming clubs around anywhere. ?You don't need to be a truck expert or anything like that. ?This is my first truck and everyone has been extremely patient and helpful in answering my questions. ?So, if you have any doubts about posting, don't.
 
kegger said:
Goo,

Could you scan a pic of your mailing label as an Example for all to see?

Thanks

OK ... I will share.

This is one of the brochures / invitations we gave out for our record crowd Kerrville cruise ;D

brochure.jpg
 
I know I'm a newbie around here guys but to be honest with you. I really believe the reason you don't get more tags is that the people don't actually feel like going through with the process of making sure you know they visited. I know when I first began visiting this site, it took me probably a week or so before I actually noticed all the little things about posting and things like that. Maybe I'm wrong... but just trying to help out the club.

 
I found it interesting the way Blueruck has tagged over 60 Avalanches here in CO and ONLY 1 of those tagged AV's showed up for the CO cruise.

That one person, if I remember correctly, was 1Avalanche7 and I don't know of him having any posts on this site. This makes me believe that there are probably a lot of lurkers that just don't post.

I did have one verbal tag with a friend (co_bigblock) and right now he has 17 posts and went on the CO cruise.
 
yah i remember taggin those 2 avalanches i wonder if they will become a member i doubt it seeing as blueruck tagged over 60 and only 1 has joined
 
Instead of makeing labels up
I just printed Brochure Courtesy Of
[and used my member name / email ]
and using word or similar
printed it in the center of the page that I print the brochure on
ends up over the circular AC club logo
Have had two people [out of 20ish]
email to thank me
Don't know if they became members

I made add to the pre printing
As a fellow AV owner---
NO part of your truck was touched, except to put the brochure under the wiper
 
some tag verbal , some withe brochure, only 2-3%ofav owners are club members, half dont mod, but what we all know is av is special,, and those few special people that we meet up with and hang out with are what this club has given back to me, and to come up with a mod, and have the next guy want to do it, is like passing the olympic torch, and holy smokes, wasnt the av the official olympics truck??? pass it on av to av!!!!!
 
Let me preface, what will appear to a non-objective thinker; to be a major slam, with this: I think the assembly of folks we have here is outstanding. I find this forum to be invaluable and I truly have a desire to see it grow, in both its usefulness and its membership.

Now......

Comment 1:
The brochure is a poor product. It should be a first class pamphlet that provides the reader with an overwhelming desire to pursue the NACAFC, which is the entire objective of the flyer.

Support for Comment 1:
The logo detail is poor. It has jaggies, the copyright text is not legible and it sits in a square box with a 5% gray shade that doesn't look good on the white background.

The "Chevrolet Avalanche Fan Club of North America" heading on the front page is difficult to read, it should be in another font.

On the FAQ page, the quote uses poor English and in the FAQ area, three of the four question are completely irrelevant and serve no purpose in trying to entice someone to stop by for a visit. (Remember its goal...?)

On the "Best Options Come Free" page, the pagination in the first and third paragraph make reading the text extremely annoying, the large white spaces need to be removed. This section also includes mixed-tense thoughts and improper use of font styling.

The "What We Provide" page; poor statement structure and a typo. (Can you find it?)

The "How we Can Help" page; one of the four items is NOT a "How we can help" statement because of poor sentence structure.

The "How to Find Us" section; the URL should be on one line.

These are picky items, indeed. But you are not posting a flyer for a lost cat or local pancake breakfast. This is a national organization that promotes the support of General Motors.

Most people will see this flyer and not do anything with it. If you ask them why, they will not be able to answer you. The fact is, it just doesn't generate any enthusiasm. There's no "WOW" factor.

Comment 2:
The Web Site is very slow, most Avalanche owners live and work in a fast-paced world, they don't want to wait for page rendering. The search area is not user freindly. The search engine is slow. It is VERY difficult to find what you are searching for. There are way too many topics "pinned" to the top of the individual forums.

Support for Comment 2:
Well, sometimes it takes a minute to load the front page. The front page should be the fastest page of all. I have been to this site from a variety of computers with a variety of connection types. I have an OC12 at my office, so when anything is slow, I know it is the site or the server that site is on.

You cannot get to the Search page for searching posts from the front page, sad.

If I wanted to find all the great comments posted by Goo929, I would go to the search page and type Goo929 in the "by user" field and the scroll all the way to the bottom and press search, right? Wrong, this generates and error. I can't search for all of Goo's posts, I have to search for keywords by Goo. The problem with this, is that I remember Goo posted a great thought about dressing up the AV last week, but I cannot remember what is was. I can't find it because I must fill in the "Search For" field, but I don't know what to put in there. I DO know that if I could see all of Goo's posts from last week, I'd have my answer in about two minutes.

The "Check All" box and the "Search" button should be DUPLICATED at the top of the form so you don't have to scroll all the way down even when you are not going to change any of the lower settings.

There are many other issues with the search engine here, most of them are mentioned in the forums. I only feel the need to mention one to support my thoughts about the poor search engine.

Most people don't give a second thought to the words they choose for the SUBJECT of a post. Finding a topic six months from today should be considered when wording your subject. Take the subject of this thread for example; I thought someone was complaining about the lack of a response to a question they had posted in a forum. Nope.

Too Many Pinned posts; It is annoying to have to scroll down a whole page to get to the recent threads.

See these samples:
Sample 1
Sample 2

I have to admit, I swear off this board at least once a month, it shouldn't be that way. I use this board as a resource, I don't appreciate the all the little aggravating nuances that come with it.


So, in a nut shell, I think most of your tags are tossed aside; but those that do show up here, get turned off before they see what an invaluable resource it really is.

I said "your" tags because I will not hand out the currently available flyer. Since we are requested to not change it, I simply don't use it.


A final note on the flyer,
The more educated the Avalanche driver the harder it is to grab his interest. The less educated the Avalanche driver, the easier it is to grab his interest.

The current flyer simply doesn't capture the attention of a large enough audience. Enhancing the flyer will grab a larger audience.






 
jasgot said:
Let me preface, what will appear to a non-objective thinker; to be a major slam, with this: I think the assembly of folks we have here is outstanding. ?I find this forum to be invaluable and I truly have a desire to see it grow, in both its usefulness and its membership.

I agree with you there.

Now......

Comment 1:
The brochure is a poor product. ?It should be a first class pamphlet that provides the reader with an overwhelming desire to pursue the NACAFC, which is the entire objective of the flyer.

Support for Comment 1:
The logo detail is poor. It has jaggies, the copyright text is not legible and it sits in a square box with a 5% gray shade that doesn't look good on the white background.

The "Chevrolet Avalanche Fan Club of North America" heading on the front page is difficult to read, it should be in another font.

On the FAQ page, the quote uses poor English and in the FAQ area, three of the four question are completely irrelevant and serve no purpose in trying to entice someone to stop by for a visit. (Remember its goal...?)

On the "Best Options Come Free" page, the pagination in the first and third paragraph make reading the text extremely annoying, the large white spaces need to be removed. This section also includes mixed-tense thoughts and improper use of font styling.

The "What We Provide" page; poor statement structure and a typo. (Can you find it?)

The "How we Can Help" page; ?one of the four items is NOT a "How we can help" statement because of poor sentence structure. ?

The "How to Find Us" section; the URL should be on one line.

These are picky items, indeed. But you are not posting a flyer for a lost cat or local pancake breakfast. ?This is a national organization that promotes the support of General Motors. ?

Most people will see this flyer and not do anything with it. ?If you ask them why, they will not be able to answer you. ?The fact is, it just doesn't generate any enthusiasm. ?There's no "WOW" factor.

Thanks for you criticism. In the beginning, we didn't have anything to help us recruit new members. The club brochure was one of the main reasons for our rise in membership. Maybe it is time to revisit it.

Comment 2:
The Web Site is very slow, most Avalanche owners live and work in a fast-paced world, they don't want to wait for page rendering. ?The search area is not user freindly. ?The search engine is slow. It is VERY difficult to find what you are searching for. ?There are way too many topics "pinned" to the top of the individual forums.

Support for Comment 2:
Well, sometimes it takes a minute to load the front page. ?The front page should be the fastest page of all. ?I have been to this site from a variety of computers with a variety of connection types. ?I have an OC12 at my office, so when anything is slow, I know it is the site or the server that site is on.

The front page load speed and the slow server issues are being worked on. ?

You cannot get to the Search page for searching posts from the front page, sad. ?

If I wanted to find all the great comments posted by Goo929, I would go to the search page and type Goo929 in the "by user" field and the scroll all the way to the bottom and press search, right? ?Wrong, this generates and error. ?I can't search for all of Goo's posts, I have to search for keywords by Goo. ?The problem with this, is that I remember Goo posted a great thought about dressing up the AV last week, but I cannot remember what is was. ?I can't find it because I must fill in the "Search For" field, but I don't know what to put in there. ?I DO know that if I could see all of Goo's posts from last week, I'd have my answer in about two minutes.

Thanks for the kind words about my posts :rolleyes:

One way to find the last (5, 10, 50, All) Posts for a user, is to click on their username and use the Posts "drop down" and GO button under additional information.

About the search function , the "search string" is a required field. If you want to use it as you described, you can enter " " in the "Search for:" field and "goo929" in the "By user:" field. Select the desired drop downs for those fields and the forums you wish to search and then submit your search. ?

The "Check All" box and the "Search" button should be DUPLICATED at the top of the form so you don't have to scroll all the way down even when you are not going to change any of the lower settings.

There are many other issues with the search engine here, most of them are mentioned in the forums. ?I only feel the need to mention one to support my thoughts about the poor search engine.
We will be very likely upgrading our Bulletin Board software after the server upgrade and with that will come a new search engine.

Most people don't give a second thought to the words they choose for the SUBJECT of a post. ?Finding a topic six months from today should be considered when wording your subject. ?Take the subject of this thread for example; I thought someone was complaining about the lack of a response to a question they had posted in a forum. Nope.

I agree with you 100% there. I have corrected some myself and will make sure I update the information for the moderators and forum READ ME topics.

Too Many Pinned posts; It is annoying to have to scroll down a whole page to get to the recent threads.

See these samples:
Sample 1
Sample 2

I have to admit, I swear off this board at least once a month, it shouldn't be that way. ?I use this board as a resource, ?I don't appreciate the all the little aggravating nuances that come with it.

So, in a nut shell, I think most of your tags are tossed aside; but those that do show up here, get turned off before they see what an invaluable resource it really is.

I said "your" tags because I will not hand out the currently available flyer. ?Since we are requested to not change it, I simply don't use it.

A final note on the flyer,
The more educated the Avalanche driver the harder it is to grab his interest. ?The less educated the Avalanche driver, the easier it is to grab his interest.

The current flyer simply doesn't capture the attention of a large enough audience. ?Enhancing the flyer will grab a larger audience.

I will look into those.

We have used a combination of the brochures / chapter flyers to recruit down here. I think we have been pretty successful. I have about 50 members on my area distribution list. The subject of education has never come up on our last 4 cruises so I can't comment on that. ;D

goo929
 
I think you guys are doing a great job with the flyers. I actually just stumbled on the site a little bit ago, but flyers would really help to spread the word. Most Av owners that I have talked to truly love their trucks and would be all over this site. Keep up the good work!
 
Jascot,

This site is a non-profitable site. I may be wrong with that statement, but I doubt it. I hope that the chief isn't loosing any money.
I ran a BBS quite a long time ago. I did it as a hobby and it was fun. But, it cost me money every month.
Now I run an ISP and I try to make money at that. If your a small operation you just can't do everything. The Chief has been starting to delegating his jobs. Things don't get done overnight. I am sure all the administrators and moderators are spending quite a bit of there own time working on this site. And for free.
They do it because it is fun and they get to meet new people. Maybe learn something new each and everyday. I know the reason I spend so much time here is because it is fun, I get to meet new people, and, I learn something new from it daily.
I have asked if I could help out, but I was a little late. They have just recruited many new moderators. They are aware of the problems that are happening. and working on trying to get them fixed. I have tried to support the board by buying raffle tickets and a club decal, and using the club's sponsers to buy from. This in the end helps the club raise funds for the operation.
Bandwidth is the most expensive part of this board, then comes the system, and then software.
I think all the guy's that are running the board need a big hand. Sure, things can be better. They will be but it takes time. This board is a hobby for everyone here. That has become HUGE and has caused many people operating it many headaches and problems in there lives. I do know that the problems will get fixed. But, may come up again when the board gets bigger again. This board is OUR board. it has outgrown the creator and has taken its own identity. Please try to support those that are given the oppertunity to run it.

Criticism is OK, but, only if you can also acknowledge that the people here are working there butts off.

Why don't you try to recreate a brochure and submit it to the administrative staff. I am sure they would appreciate any and all Idea's. Good, or Bad. I am sure they have a mod list for this board that they have to decide on what takes priority, and what does't.

Please, Give them a break... They are trying to fix the problems as they come up.

Kegger


BTW, You guys are doing a good job, especially with all the circumstances. I appreciate this site quite a bit and would not want it to go away.

 
VERY well put Kegger.

I personally like the club brochures. I just think it needs to be updated a bit. Maybe a few more statistics about the site would be needed. And then comes the quotations from members commending the site. Those quotes came from January and February and more should be added on to that. It may be time for some more recent information that's all.
 
Kegger,

Well, I was going to reply with some snappy indisputable response, but if you re-read my post you'll realize you are preaching to the chior.

I was not critizing this board or its operators, simply providing an accurate explanation to the question "Why does no one reply here".

 
kegger said:
Jascot,
The Chief has been starting to delegating his jobs. ?Things don't get done overnight.

Yes. and I think Chief isn't the only one... for example, Goo probably is too!

This board is a hobby for everyone here.

don't you mean addiction or obessesion? >:D

Please, ?Give them a break... ? They are trying to fix the problems as they come up.

No doubt about that. They're also trying to destroy problems before they come up, but they already have their hands full at the moment.

Avrunner
 
The beauty of this board it that it is made up of diverse members and personalities....thus making it more interesting to share and exchange info....I find what I walk away with at the end of the day outways what I can ever contribute...the amount of knowledge visiting this board everyday is tremendous....a valuable asset at the very least....everyone tries to bring their skills to the table night after night....

From the admins, to the global mods, to the mods, to the members...everyone here is valuable in their own way and in the end I would rather play here then anywhere else on the web when dealing with the Chevy Avalanche......I'm going to stop babbling on now seeing how it's been 9 hours of login time tonight...sorry.... ;) ;D :B: :B:
 
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