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I'm stuck in 4 wheel hi

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I can hear the front drive shaft spinning, you know, that windding sound, but my dash says 2 HI. I call my dealer and they told me to wait 3 weeks. I hope I don't ruin anything. I wish that I could call GM and let them know how I am being treated. Not that I am anyone of importance, but 3 weeks?
Has this ever happened to anyone?
 
Sorry to hear about your problems dude. Obviously finding out this is the really busy time of the year!

I assume that it is just the prop shaft that is still engaged and not the front axle? If the front axle is still engaged, I would go to the dealer and claim you do not "feel safe" driving the vehicle. If that gets zero response, call customer assistance and repeat those two words and your vehicle will get looked at a little quicker as they do not want to pay for three weeks of rental costs.

If the front axle is not engaged, the only issue I see is decreased fuel economy (like we don't have enough issues with that). Funny though, there is a manual switch that engages the front axle is the front prop is engaged.....hhmmmm.... Also, if the fork is engaged in the T-case yet it doesn't match the switch selection, your 4wd lights should be flashing (or something on the I/P, if i remember correctly).

Does it still engage 4hi/lo?
 
EMT - to see if it is really engaged in 4x4 mode, try turning on dry pavement - you should feel the front end pulling and the AV turning funny - if it's not in 4x4 mode it will turn normal and it shouldn't be an issue to keep driving it.

If it is locked in 4x4 mode then I would be at the dealer ASAP

Good Luck
 
Thanks for the advice.

Actually, I had my mechanic put it on the lift and we spun the the front drive shaft and the front tire did spin. I think one was went forwadr and the other when backwards? Does that make any sense?
The funny thing was that when I drive about 60mph or faster, it dis-engages. When I slow down below 40 mph, it engages again.

Well, the weather's been nice so I'm trying to ride my bike around a little more.
 
This is probably a stupid idea, but try disconnecting the battery for at least 15 minutes on the off chance that it might reset the PCM - no guarantees, just a shot in the dark.
 
Actually, when the problem occured, my altenator and battery died out on me as well. So I ended up changing the altenator to a 135 amp and get a new battery as well. The battery had to be disconnected for at least half an hour.
My mechanic said the my "quadra-something" was shot.
 
NOTE TO SELF...it's been 5 years since I worked in Tech Assist....may still be fuzzy...hopefully folks will be lenient to me.....

Ok, if your truck was up in the air and you could spin your prop shaft easily, it's probably not engaged at the T-case. But then again, i'm assuming it was left in park when placed on the lift???

I'm trying to remember, but I don't think that both wheels should have spun (they will spin, but not like direct driven, if that makes sense). There is an electric acutator in the front axle that "extends" when the t-case is engaged in 4hi/lo. Which will lock both front wheels together and make it very difficult to go around corners (much like Blueruck mentioned). If you can coast around a corner at 5-10MPH without coming to a stop, then your not engaged.

The NV243 T-case is (or was) notorious for having issues with the actuator motor that makes the forks shift. Inside the actuator is a hall effect switch that sends hi/low signals to the transfer case module to let it know what position it is in, then appropriately lights the corresponding button/switch. Used to be issues with either a problem with one of the 4 circuits running between the two or possibly a bad hall effect switch in the actuator.

If you can coast around the corner, no worries....it's probably just electrical faries screwing with your world. If you can't coast, then I stick to my guns in going immediately back to the dealer with a safety concern........good luck.
 
Well, like I said, a "shot in the dark" - at least you will have a better alternator out of the whole event. :)
 
I have no worries with the new altenator.

I can coast around the corner with no problems. I don't believe that the T-case is engaged.
Although, when we put her on the lift, she was parked, then we put her in drive and then the front tires started to spin.
I guess we'll have to see what happens on wedsnesday.
I swear that this truck is more trouble than what it's worth.
Between electrical, new battery/ altenator, the tranny, (new tranny installed at 8000 miles), and all the water that gets in the bed rusting out my tools, I'm starting to get a little :6:
 
motrctyman said:
I'm trying to remember, but I don't think that both wheels should have spun (they will spin, but not like direct driven, if that makes sense). There is an electric acutator in the front axle that "extends" when the t-case is engaged in 4hi/lo. Which will lock both front wheels together and make it very difficult to go around corners (much like Blueruck mentioned). If you can coast around a corner at 5-10MPH without coming to a stop, then your not engaged.
Your memory is close, but I think it is just a little off. ;)

We had a discussion about the inner workings of the front differential a little while back: Help Me Understand My Avalanche.

The actuator to which you are referring to locks the front half-shafts (the ones between the differential and the wheels) to the pinions in the differential, but they do not lock the two front wheels together. The front differential is always open. The actuator "locking" the front half shafts is only allowing power to be transmittied to the wheels, the front wheels are always able to turn at different speeds (as they must when going around a turn.) This "locking" of the half shafts to the differential is the equivalent of "locking the hubs" on older 4WD systems, where you used to have to get out of the truck and turn the locks on the front hubs to engage 4WD. Similar concept, with the biggest difference being which end of the half shaft has the lock.

Still, you are correct that if the 4WD system is engaged, you will still bind up the tires going around a corner on dry pavement. Not because the front diff is locked, but because the transfer case is locked (no differential or slipping in there) so that the front and rear drive shafts must be at the same speed, but they are trying to turn at different speeds through the turn. (That's a really bad explanation, but I hope you know what I mean.)

In the thread above, marc_w brings up a good point: there is enough drag in the transfer case and front axle, that even when everything is disengaged, the drive shafts may still be spinning (but with no power.) Even if you try to spin it by hand, you may still get the wheels to turn from the internal drag. However, while spinning the shaft, you should probably be able to stop the wheels by hand and prove that things are not engaged.

I'm tired and I need to go to bed. I'm re-reading what I'm writing here, and it doesn't seem very coherant. Hopefully you can get what I'm saying. I'm afraid I'm going to read this in the morning and say "what was I thinking?) :2:

-- SS

 
Read my posts relating to 4wd problems. What you described is similar to one of the symptoms my AV had. Presently, GM is buying back my Avalanche. Good luck and keep all your receipts!
 
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