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CURE FOR ABS ERROR LIGHT AFTER RE-GEARING

swatdoc

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Well I have 4.88 gears ordered for the rear of my 2WD to compensate for the 37" tires. I have been doing a lot of research the past couple weeks to find a solution to the ABS light problem, and think I have found it. I too called Hypertech, and their programer does not cure the problem, as I doubt anyone's would after understanding the problem.

I'm not a professional mechanic, but here's how I understand this system: You have baically 3 speed sensors - the 2 ABS wheel speed sensors in front (1 at each front wheel) and the rear vehicle speed sensor (VSS) at the rear of the transmission. All three are monitore constantly and compared to each other.

If all you do is change your tire diameter, you will not get an ABS error, because although the sensors are turning at a different speed now with the bigger tires, THEY ARE ALL READING AT THE SAME SPEED. The speed will be wrong however, and this is why the speedo is off.

The big problem occurs when you re-gear the rear end, because what happens is now the driveshaft is turning faster at a given speed than it used to (which is what we want it to do - raise our rpms back up) and so THE REAR VSS READS OUT A SPEED DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE FRONT WHEEL SPEED (ABS) SENSORS ARE READING - THIS MISMATCH IN SPEED IS WHAT IS CAUSING THE ERROR. The Hypertech or probably any other programmer will not be able to correct this as it can only modify the signal going to the speedometer to change the speed shown - it cannot do anything for the mismatch!

So what the hell can be done about this mismatch???
Thankfully, there appears to be an answer. A company called Abott Enterprises makes a product called the "Abott Electronic Ratio Adapter". I bought one through Mike at THE TOY SHOP in Pomona, CA (909-620-5849). They specialize in gearing and tranny work for Chevys. The adapter splices in to the purple wire going into the VSS fitting on the rear of the tranny. There is 1 green and 1 purple wire - Mike says the purple is the one to use. You also need to run 1 wire to ground and one to a ACC power lead. Inside the adapter is a group of 12 dip switches. By altering the setting of the dip switches, you change the electrical current going to the rear VSS, and this changes the mph reading to match what the front wheel speed sensors read, and Bingo - no more ABS light!

The adapter comes with a booklet of the various dip swithes and the corresponding ratios they represent. The adapter wasn't originally made for these gear changes, so they don't tell you how to figure out the right settings - but I figured it out simply enough given some numbers Mike gave me for typical gear ratios. Basically all you do is take your stock ratio (3.73 in my case) and divide by the new ratio (4.88 in my case again) - this gives you the ratio for the adapter - in my case again this would be .765 (the adapter ratios vary in increments of .005). For 4.56 gears the ratio would be .820, which is what Mike used for a recent truck he did.

Now it would be great if it worked right off the bat like this, but with variables like they are, sometimes the ratio on paper doesn't equal out the speed to the sensors and you have to go up or down to get them matched up perfect so the ABS light goes off. The IDEAL way to do this is to hook up a TECH-II scanner to your truck, which will give real-time readouts of both the front wheel speed sensores and the rear VSS. If you are still 2 mph off, you just change the ratio with the dip switches and go for another drive - repeat untill the rear speed matches the front and you're good to go. Don't bother with the scanners you see on Ebay - they only read the rear VSS and nothing else. You need the TECH-II scanner or equivalent to read the front ABS sensors. The dealer has these scanners, and maybe some other shops do to - they are expensive - around $2500 I'm told.

The second option is what I'm gonna do, 'cause my dealership sevice personnel are A$$holes. They wanted $92 just to hook up to my truck and turn off the seatbelt warning chimes, AND refuse to honor my truck's warranty untill I send my SS instrument cluster to California to get the odometer miles transferred from the stock cluster. Said my warranty is void right now because my odometer is off, even though I coudn't possibly put 36,000 miles on my truck in 7 weeks since I bought it - but I digress. Since I will never give them business again, and know they won't help me with the TECH-II scanner, I'm going to use the trial and error method. I'll set the adapter to the proposed setting, and drive for 3-4 miles (it takes 3-4 miles of driving around to trip the ABS error light, because if it was instant, every time you went around a corner or spun the rear tires it would go on). If no ABS light great!!!! If so, shut the truck off to clear the light, change the dip switch settings to the next ratio, and repeat. Mike just had a truck that required a ratio of .870 for a 4.56 setup to eliminate the light - that's 10 settings away from the proposed setting of .820 . So it might take me a while, but I'll get it and I won't need the $2500 scanner or the A$$HOLE dealer.

Now - one more thing - all is not hunkie-dorie yet!
This modification will trigger the check engine light for some reason due to the speedo still being not calibrated. This is where the Hypertech or other programmer comes in - YOU WILL STILL NEED A PROGRAMMER TO CORRECTLY CALIBRATE THE SPEEDO AND GET THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT TO GO OFF!!

Whew - sorry for the long post, but hopefully this will help a lot of us with this problem, and for those of you who have not re-geared due to hearig about this, you now know there is a solution and can go ahead with the re-gearing, which should dramatically restore lost power and transmission life that is lost with taller tires!

I'll keep you posted as I go - gears SHOULD be here within the next week.

Doc
 
UPDATE - just happened to stumble on another solution to this problem that might even be easier. I was checking the Superlift website, looking at their Truspeed electronic speedometer recalibrator, when I discovered they also make a Truspeed ABS re-calibrator!!!

This unit splices in to the PCM under the hood by tapping into one of the wires in one of the wire plugs going to the pcm. The thing is, there are no dip switches or anything to adjust - just plug and play I guess! It says it is only for 4.56 or lower (meaning numerically higher - like 4.8:cool: gears, so that should be fine for most of us.

I'm not real sure how it calibrates for different ratios, say if you have the 4.88s instead of the 4.56s, I'm gonna call them in the morning and find out. I just might get this one and sell the other one I got if this Superlift one will do the job.

As with the previous one mentioned, you will also need either a programmer or Superlift's other Truspeed unit to then calibrate your speedometer.

Hope you guys don't mind my ramblings and can understand what the hell I'm talking about.

Doc
 
Great info! ;D Here it is:

http://www.superlift.com/print/installation/34000IN_1.pdf

Thanks so much for the research! I will stay tuned to this thread! This ABS error problem is verrrry irritating. :E:

Also wondering if a GM Tech II could resolve this problem too????? ???
 
Dumb question here... Would this affect a 4x4 as well since you have to do the gears in the front as well??? I would think it has the same issue but, just thought I would ask...
 
Taking my Av in next Monday 6/28 to get "better" 4.56 gears installed. Talked to Jay at ORW in Escondido, and he said that the service tech he is going to send it to after re-re-gearing, is aware of the problem and apparently has a "software fix."; (GM Tech II??) Will report back on this thread on Tuesday.... :B:

As far a 2WD vs. 4WD I wouldn't suspect there's any difference in sensor/wiring configuration. :B:
 
4wd will NOT have this problem do to the fact that you are regearing front and rear PLU&S there are 4 ABS sensors on a 4wd 2 inthe fron 2 in the rear and the VSS sensor is on the tranny tail shaft. Basically it does the regaer config for you. I may be wrong but looking at the wiring it looks like I may be right.
 
As far as I know, the TECH-II will only read out the speed indicator values, but cannot change them :( .

Just talked to the guy at Superlift and wouldn't you know it, they're having problems getting their ABS unit to work with the '04s :8:

He said they may have to make another unit, but will know in a month or two.

I also asked him about the fact his unit has no adjustment for the various ratios (4.56 , 4.88 , 5.13) and he said the trucks ABS system has an acceptable range it will work in, due to the fact the stock trucks can come with 3.73 or 4.10 gears for example and this will not upset the abs computer. So supposedly any of the gears from 4.56 thru 5.13 will be OK.

Also - I'm not positive, but you 4WD guys might still have a problem, since if you re-gear the front diff, it will do nothing to change the signal coming from the front wheel ABS sensors, because the sensors are BEFORE the diff, unlike the rear sensor which is in the tranny and is therefore AFTER the diff.
 
bonedog said:
4wd will NOT have this problem do to the fact that you are regearing front and rear PLU&S there are 4 ABS sensors on a 4wd 2 inthe fron 2 in the rear and the VSS sensor is on the tranny tail shaft. Basically it does the regaer config for you. I may be wrong but looking at the wiring it looks like I may be right.

I have the Z-71 4WD, and have the ABS error....
 
oh ok... gotta read my wiring better. Remeber the old days before this computer stuff?? Just put what you wanted on or in and long as you could make it work it would!! Those were the days.
 
What could I expect to pay for a 4.56 gear swap on a Z66? I assume the locker will still work?? Let me know when you get this ABS problem worked out and your total cost.

Butch
 
So far the cost for the re-gearing is $1300; (parts and labor for a Z-71 4X4). I'd suspect the Z-66 would be half that cost. Just received the Superlift ABS Box; ($89). Will install it this week. Stay tuned.... :B:
 
On my Impala I just had to change a $5 relucter to keep the ABS working properly.

Mike
 
Mudd said:
So far the cost for the re-gearing is $1300; (parts and labor for a Z-71 4X4). I'd suspect the Z-66 would be half that cost. Just received the Superlift ABS Box; ($89). Will install it this week. Stay tuned.... :B:

Any follow ups???
 
Just had my 4.88's installed Monday, along with the Auburn LS diff. Sure enough, after a few miles the warning lights come on for brakes and ABS, the warning chimes ring, and the DIC says Service Brake System.
Allen from Nelson Performance says his PCM tune will take care of the problem without having to splice in any black boxes, so I ordered the Nelson Tune on Tuesday. Since I'm putting in a shift kit and servos for my tranny, he's also taking out all the torque management from the PCM - should shift a lot more firmly. Also correcting the speedo and adjusting timing and other goodies for a little more power - but I am sticking with 87 octane for $$$ reasons. Should have the new PCM next week - wil post a follow up then.
Doc
 
swatdoc said:
Just had my 4.88's installed Monday, along with the Auburn LS diff. Sure enough, after a few miles the warning lights come on for brakes and ABS, the warning chimes ring, and the DIC says Service Brake System.
Allen from Nelson Performance says his PCM tune will take care of the problem without having to splice in any black boxes, so I ordered the Nelson Tune on Tuesday. Since I'm putting in a shift kit and servos for my tranny, he's also taking out all the torque management from the PCM - should shift a lot more firmly. Also correcting the speedo and adjusting timing and other goodies for a little more power - but I am sticking with 87 octane for $$$ reasons. Should have the new PCM next week - wil post a follow up then.
Doc

SWEET! Can't wait!
 
Don't want to double post so check out the "4.56 gear and ABS warning" topic. Basically, my speedometer error and ABS problem was solved by the Superchips unit. Several other companies I called said they had not yet solved the 2003 ABS problem, while Superchips flatly stated that their unit would work. After trying it, I have to agree.
 
Installed the Superlift 34000 Re-Calibrator Box. It intermittantly chimes at stops now! :E:It doesn't work with the Hypertech programming. There's a paragraph on the installation instructions that says that you'll still have ABS errors.....WTF?! :E: Bottom Line: DON'T BUY IT! Ordered a Superchips 2715 to see if it really does solve this problem as stated in other posts. :p Wish the Nelson Tune was at least $100 less, he claims to solve it too...
 
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