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Magnaflow direct fit catalytic converter assy.

Bethel Avalanche

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I was checking out the Summit Racing web site and came across a direct fit catalytic converter assembly, part # MPE-93419.  I was just curious to see if anybody has one of them installed.  Also is it pretty much the same thing thats came stock with the AV?


 
Stock avy cats are high flow.. for most part...
 
Old thread, but I have the same question.  I just ordered these from summit racing.  I am trying to decide if I should tackle myself, or have it done.
 
My biggest concern is that the bolts are going to be rusted, and I won?t be able to get everything taken apart.  I am planning on getting under there tonight, and try to loosen them.  If I have any issues I will just take it somewhere.  But paying someone to do the work is what put me in this situation.
 
I also looked into these as a potential upgrade but figured it could be a waist unless the factory cats  are done.  BTW I am finally going to get my true duals put on within the next 2 weeks.  Exhaust shop quoted me $225 for 2.25" pipe with Dynomax mufflers.  After this is done my Avarado should sound sweet while giving me better gas mileage since the install 2 days ago of my Spectre air intake.  I am also considering purchasing some shorty headers and a Hypertech programmer.
 
jdmick said:
My biggest concern is that the bolts are going to be rusted, and I won?t be able to get everything taken apart.  I am planning on getting under there tonight, and try to loosen them.  If I have any issues I will just take it somewhere.  But paying someone to do the work is what put me in this situation.
Spray the bolts with PB Blast for a few days the bolts should come off
 
jdmick said:
My biggest concern is that the bolts are going to be rusted, and I won?t be able to get everything taken apart.  I am planning on getting under there tonight, and try to loosen them.  If I have any issues I will just take it somewhere.  But paying someone to do the work is what put me in this situation.
I dont have to worry about that here  >:D Shoot with PB blaster every day for about 4 days and it will come off for sure.
 
Bonehead said:
I also looked into these as a potential upgrade but figured it could be a waist unless the factory cats  are done.  BTW I am finally going to get my true duals put on within the next 2 weeks.  Exhaust shop quoted me $225 for 2.25" pipe with Dynomax mufflers.  After this is done my Avarado should sound sweet while giving me better gas mileage since the install 2 days ago of my Spectre air intake.  I am also considering purchasing some shorty headers and a Hypertech programmer.

I was considering getting some short headers too since I was going to have it taken apart, but seeing as this is my second set of cats in the last year (very long story), I figured I shouldn?t spend the money.

I got under there last night to start the PB blaster regiment for the next couple of day.  And it didn?t look as bad as I thought it was going to.  Hopefully it will be easier than I was anticipating, even though it never is.
 
If there's nothing wrong with the stock don't replace. If there is pull the trigger on the high flows, you wont regret it.

Shorty headers are a waste of money and time on these motors. If your not willing to do long tubes then save your cash for something else.
 
BrokenFeather78 said:
Shorty headers are a waste of money and time on these motors. If your not willing to do long tubes then save your cash for something else.

That is what I've heard, you might get a better sound.  But I don't want my truck any louder than it already is.  I'm replacing universal fit high-flows that were put on in March.  The shop that did the work did a terrible job, and now it would be more expensive to have it fixed correctly than for me to just put on the direct fit cats.  The parts came yesterday, if I can get out of work early today I plan on starting the project.  I knew I should have done it this way to begin with.
 
I took mine to Magnaflow HQ and had my cats replaced. They have last 100k so far(knock on wood). Only downside is it is tough to get the tranny pan down since the Y pipe behind the pan was pushed a little further towards the engine. Thats why I leave tranny oil changes to the techs.
 
Jesus, here we go again.  So Caveman, Shorty headers don't work?  So on a 5.3L motor a 10 horse power increase, and 20lbs or torque increase is not working? There are other benefits as well.    The long tube worship continues......

You can just about go to any shorty manufactures website and get dyno sheets for what I just told you.  An your information is from?

http://products.jbaheaders.com/dyno.asp#

And as far as "high flow" converters.  This is a complete misnomer.  ANY monolithic style converter is a "high flow".  Don't be fooled.  In the late 1990's and early 2000's both Carsound and Arvin experimented with "high flow" converters.  Carsound chose less passages per square inch, but larger passages in the substrate, Arvin choose more passages per square inch, with smaller passages.  Both performed basically the same as standard substrate configurations, however Carsound's didn't catalyze as well.  I defy anyone to find a "high flow" converter in the new Carsound / Magnaflow 5 pound catalog, it simply doesn't exist.  The term "high flow" is thrown around regarding almost any monolithic style converter using substrate.  Don't be conned.
 
While any monolithic converter may be considered "high flow", there are aftermarket cats that flow better than what is installed from the factory.  We all know that manufactures are under the big green thumb of the environmentalist, so they obviously will lean more toward cleaner emissions rather than performance.  With that said, there ARE high flow cats that WILL improve HP and TQ.  This pretty much falls into the same type of argument of shorties vs. long tube headers.  Will you see a gain from the performance cats over stock?  I see why not.  There are a lot of real world dynos runs that prove this and not just a manufacture's number.  I could post links, but googling any performance forum of your choice (G8, Camaro, Mustang, Vette, etc.) will work.  The trick is finding a performance cat that won't trip a SEL.
 
There is a negligible difference in flow between OE and aftermarket converters, period.  Any increases in flow are attained simply by using less substrate, and/or a smaller case.  Which btw, is less effective emissions wise, and is the very reason Carsound/Magnaflow no longer lists a "high flow" converter in their catalogs any longer.  There is no trick to finding the proper converter for a OBD2 vehicle that will keep the MIL off, btw.

Additionally, the construction of the substrate itself, which is the defined restriction in a catalytic converter has nothing what so ever to do with "the big green thumb".  The efficiency of the converter in no way causes additional restriction to the flow of exhaust.  To put this in a simple way  you can understand, the wash coat applied to the substrate has no individual property which would, or does contribute to restriction of exhaust flow.

And no, this doesn't fall into the same category as "shorty vs long tube headers".  Facts are facts.  In this day and age manufactures are very careful regarding performance information released about their products.  It has to be verifiable.  If not, they could be sued by either a consumer, or a competitor, and in my 35 plus years in the business, I have seen both occur when manufactures run fast and loose with the facts.  Unfortunately, I doubt you can show me a dyno sheet from any of the forums you listed that show anything more than a negligible difference between OE, and aftermarket converters regarding flow rate or HP increase.  This would have to be a test where ONLY the converter(s) had been changed, and nothing else, and would have to be a legal converter.  Otherwise, what is the point.  Always compare apples with apples my friend.
 
Well Muff,
I'm going to have to concede this one.  I search the forums that I visit and found dyno runs with high flow cats and even though there were gains for all of them, all of the cars had other mods.  Seems like nobody is replacing JUST the cats and running on a dyno.  Apparently most folks are putting on HFC are performance minded and have other bits and pieces that contribute or compliment each other so no way to pinpoint.  Maybe Butterfingarz can chime in about his, then again he didn't say if they were HFC or even if he has other mods.  Here is a question for you.  After doing my research I did read a common factor with the HFC's and that was a quicker throttle responce (even the guys who didn't dyno).  Obviously if you spend some cash on a mod, your mind is going to tell you that your feeling something, but do you think that it is posible that these can give a "seat of the pants" difference?
 
black_magic said:
Obviously if you spend some cash on a mod, your mind is going to tell you that your feeling something, but do you think that it is posible that these can give a "seat of the pants" difference?
Yeah they make your wallet lighter  :laugh:  :kidding:
 
muffman said:
Jesus, here we go again.  So Caveman, Shorty headers don't work?  So on a 5.3L motor a 10 horse power increase, and 20lbs or torque increase is not working? There are other benefits as well.    The long tube worship continues......

You can just about go to any shorty manufactures website and get dyno sheets for what I just told you.  An your information is from?

http://products.jbaheaders.com/dyno.asp#

You site a manufacturers page for hp/tq numbers really? Those numbers were made on the best run at the flywheel with the best tune possible. I have done the short, mid, and long tube path on several vehicles. There is more to long vs short than a peak number. My kooks 1-7/8 primary to 3" collector longtubes have a torque curve that shorty guys lust for. Need a someone with more cred? Talk to my tuner he's been every performance mag at one point or another in the past decade. slowhawkperfomance.com
 
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