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Mod For All Lights On.  Highs, Lows, DRL, & Fog

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AutoWorker

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:) Just did a cheep mod (under $20.00) that turns all the foward lights on. Requires 1 relay and 4 diodes. It works as follows. When the headlamps come on by the automatic systems the fog and DRL work as they should. The lows do stay on with the highs since I did my single wire headlamd mod. When I use the manual headlamp switch the DRL and the fogs work as they should when the lows are on. Once I turn the highs on the lows stay on, the DRL come on and the Fogs come on. The fog lamp indication on the switch also comes on. And the volt meter move a tick down. ;D

This mod took almost three hours to do. Need a few days to write a clear procedure on how to. Will post when when done.
 
Way to go again Autoworker!

Sounds like this one will be a little tougher than the last one, but I'm going to make sure and fill my printer up so I'm ready for it.

GM should put you in charge!
 
Questions ??? let me know before you start. ?If something is not clear let me know before you start.

All forward lights on at once.

Mod that will turn Daytime Running Lamps (DRL) fog lights, High and Low headlights all on at the same. ?Does not require drilling or adding switches.

Prerequisites; Single wire headlamp modification if you want low beam headlights to stay on when you turn on the high beams. ?Otherwise only high beams, fog and DRL will be lit.

Basic operation. ?When the headlights come on using the automatic system the fog & DRL lamps work normally. ?When the manual head light switch is used (when was the last time you really used it :rolleyes: ) the lights still all work normally until you switch on the high beams. ?With the manual switch on (headlamp position not parking lights) and the high beams selected the Low beams, High beams, DRL?s and Fog lights are all on. ?When you switch back to lows (with the manual switch still on) only the lows stay on, the rest go out. ?You can switch the fog lights back on (normal operation) by pushing the fog lamp button.

Used common parts from Radio shack. ?Goal was to make it all off the shelf parts and keep the cost down. ?All parts used can be swapped out if you have a suitable replacement. ?This mod adds an extra way to get input to the DRL and fog lamp control signals. ?So no high current parts are required. ?In fact the parts I used are over rated but the convenience they offered offset any small cost advantage.

Tools / parts needed (beyond what you probably already have)
Volt / Ohm meter
5 pieces of 3 to 4 feet of 22 gauge wire (Preferred colors Green, White, Black, Purple)
Soldering iron and solder (Don?t care for squeeze on connectors)
1 Ring style wire connector
3 feet of heat shrink 3/16 inch and 5/16 diameters
Several Zip ties
4 female spade connectors (will fit onto relay)
1 Relay (Radio Shack part number 275-226 cost $5.99)
4 diodes (Radio Shack part number 276-1114 cost $1.69 x 2 = $3.3:cool:
A nut and bolt to mount the relay (found and aero nut and bolt in the garage)
Two to three hours without the kids, dog, wife and beverage of choice.

Steps:
1) ? ? ?Determine a suitable location to mount the relay. ?I used the underside of the drivers side cowl bracket (the one you remove in step three). ?It has a hole already drilled in it that matches the hole size of the relay I used. ?Whatever location you chose this is were the wires from the fuse box will end at.

2) ? ? ?Disconnect the battery negative terminal ?(MUST DO THIS, or you may get a repeat of the 4th of July).

3) ? ? ?Remove the left side (drivers side) fender to cowl bracket. ?It is a curved bracket that goes across part of the fuse box in the engine compartment. ?Four bolts, two on the cowl and two on the fender hold it on. ?Note: I mounted the relay to the underside of this bracket.

4) ? ? ?Remove the cover from the fuse box in the engine compartment.

5) ? ? ?Carefully release the tabs holding the main body of the fuse box and lift it up

6) ? ? ?Tilt the main body of the fuse box so you can see the junction blocks on the bottom.

7) ? ? ?Locate the long Gray colored block (Block C1 for those with a service manual)

:cool: ? ? ?Unbolt the Gray block.

9) ? ? ?Cut the small zip ties holding the wire bunches (need working room).

10) ? ? ?Locate the two white wires at E8 (the connector is done in a row column manner. ?The letters are on the short side A to F, and the numbers on the long side 1 to 12. ?There are fine markings on the sides of the connector.)

11) ? ? ?Remove the pin safety for the white wires you just found. ?The safety is a blue piece of plastic used to prevent the wires from coming out of the connector. ?It should just slide out.

12) ? ? ?Using an ice pick carefully release the locking tab holding the white wires to the gray connector. ?You should now have the two white wires connected to a single metal connector.

13) ? ? ?READ CAREFULLY, THIS IS THE ONLY STEP THAT IS NOT FOOLPROOF (any coincidence it?s step 13??..)You will need to cut the white wire that feeds to the manual light switch, but there is no easy way of knowing which one of the two wires. ?The other white wire feeds to the Body Control Module and is used for automatic headlight operation. ?There is 50 / 50 chance of getting the correct wire. ?If you get the wrong wire you will have to splice the wire back together and redo with the correct wire. ?If you do have to splice the wire back make sure you solder them back to together and cover the connection with heat shrink. ?On my AV this was how they were orientated, no guarantees all wire harnesses are the same. Standing of the drivers? side facing into the engine compartment, hold the connector for the two wires so that the copper part is also facing into the engine compartment, you should see no copper and a hole in the center on the metal connector. ?The wire to the right is the wire I cut. ?Make the cut about 1.5 to 2 inches down from the base of the metal connector.

14) ? ? ?Strip ? an inch of insulation from each end of the cut wire.

15) ? ? ?Test if you cut the correct wire. ?Reinsert the gray block back into the main housing. ?Do not insert the metal connector from the wire you just cut into the block, let it hang free. ?Do NOT reconnect the battery. ?Connect one end of your OHM meter to the wire you just cut (not the side with the metal connector and the other end to the positive battery terminal (use the battery jump post). ?You should get little or no reading , high resistance. ?Turn the manual headlight switch on to the headlamp setting. ?The meter should now show little or no resistance. ?If not, swap the meter connection on the white wire to the side with the metal terminal. ?Retest. ?If the meter now drops to zero resistance with the manual switch on and goes to high resistance with it off then you cut the wrong white wire. ?Make any necessary corrections. ?By the way I got lucky and cut the correct wire the first time. ?Alternate test method without a meter (did not try but should work, in theory). ?Insert the metal connector back into E8, make sure the cut ends of the white wires do not touch anything, may need to temp cover with tape, reinstall the gray block, reconnect the negative battery cable to the battery. ?Turn the manual switch to on. ?The headlights should not come on. ?Cover the two light sensors on the dash with a dark towel. ?Manual switch off, start the AV, put it in gear and release the parking brake. ?The headlights should come on. ?If so you have cut the correct wire. ?If the manual switch operates the lights and the automatic sensor does not then you have cut the wrong wire. ?Undo the battery cable when done testing or when removing the gray block from the main block.

16) ? ? ?Once the correct wire is identified, remove the gray block from the main block

17) ? ? ?Slide two pieces of 2 inch long heat shrink (5/16 inch) on the cut wire and move them down far enough to be out of the way.

1:cool: ? ? ?Connect, solder, two diodes to the cut wire (not the wire still connected to the metal connector). ?The white stripe on both diodes must be at the opposite end of the connection. ?That is the wire and the diodes must be connected on the black side of the diode. ?When done you should have a white wire with two diodes attached to the wire and the other ends of the diodes (the side with the white strip) going nowhere, yet. ?Kind of looks like a ?Y?.

19) ? ? ?Connect; solder the other end of the cut wire (the short piece still connected to the metal connector) to one of the diodes. ?Does not matter which one.

20) ? ? ?Solder a piece of wire to the other diode. ?I will call this the new white wire. ?This wire will need to be long enough to reach the new relay. This wire will carry a positive voltage to the relay coil when the manual headlamp switch in turned on (keep this in mind for testing if you have problems).

21) ? ? ?Slide one piece of heat shrink over the connections it should cover all the exposed connections. ?Shrink it. ?Repeat with the second piece over the first. ?This just adds extra strength. ?The diodes should be safely in the center of the heat shrink. ?Do not bend were the diodes are.

22) ? ? ?Reinsert the metal connector back into the gray block at E8.

23) ? ? ?Locate the light green and black wire at F7 on the gray block.

24) ? ? ?Remove it from the block using an ice pick to free the lock tab. ?Make sure the blue safety clip is also out.

25) ? ? ?Strip some insulation from the wire WITHOUT cutting the wire.

26) ? ? ?Wrap the black side of the diode around the exposed insulation and solder the diode to the wire.

27) ? ? ?Solder a new green wire to the other side of the diode (the side with the white stripe).

2:cool: ? ? ?Slide heat shrink over the metal connector so it covers the diode and all exposed solder joints. ?Shrink it and repeat with a second piece of heat shrink.

29) ? ? ?Reinsert the metal connector back into the gray block at F7.

30) ? ? ?Locate the Dark green and white wire at B3 on the gray block.

31) ? ? ?Remove it from the block using an ice pick to free the lock tab. ?Make sure the blue safety clip is also out.

32) ? ? ?Strip some insulation from the wire WITHOUT cutting the wire.

33) ? ? ?Wrap the black side of the diode around the exposed insulation and solder the diode to the wire.

34) ? ? ?Solder a new green wire to the other side of the diode (the side with the white stripe).

35) ? ? ?Slide heat shrink over the metal connector so it covers the diode and all exposed solder joints. ?Shrink it and repeat with a second piece of heat shrink.

36) ? ? ?Reinsert the metal connector back into the gray block at B3.

37) ? ? ?Connect the two new green wires together. In a ?T? fashion. ?That is, each of the two new green wires should be about 5 inches long and connected to each other with another new green wire connected between the first two new green wires. ?The third new green wire needs to be long enough to reach the relay. ?The two short pieces will remain hidden inside the main fuse block. ?What you have done is connect the Fog and the DRL control lines together. ?The diodes prevent the DRL turning on the Fog lights and the Fog lights from turning on the DRL in normal operation.

3:cool: ? ? ?Cover the connection were the three green wires meet with heat shrink. (testing note: when this wire is shorted to ground it will turn the DRL and fog lam relays on).

39) ? ? ?Locate the two Purple wires at C3 on the gray block.

40) ? ? ?Remove it from the block using an ice pick to free the lock tab. ?Make sure the blue safety clip is also out.

41) ? ? ?Strip some insulation from the wire WITHOUT cutting the wire.

42) ? ? ?Solder a piece of new purple wire around the exposed insulation.

43) ? ? ?Slide a piece of heat shrink over the connection and shrink it. (testing note: this is the negative side of the highbeam switch, when the switch is in the high beam position this wire will show no resistance to ground, when the switch is in the low position you will get no meter reading, high resistance, when measured to ground).

44) ? ? ?Reinsert the metal connector back into the gray block at C3

45) ? ? ?Put the blue safety pins back in.

46) ? ? ?Reinsert the gray connector into the main
block (check the orientation should only go one way.) ?Bolt the connector back to the main block

47) ? ? ?Zip tie up any necessary wires.

4:cool: ? ? ?Set the main block back into its bracket. ?Make sure the unconnected ends of the new wires come out of the block. ?I used the opening to the right (closest to the windshield). ?You should have three new wires coming out of the block. Snap into place.

49) ? ? ?Put the cover back on the block.

50) ? ? ?Solder one end of the new Black wire to the ring connector.

51) ? ? ?Attach the ring connector to ground. ?I used the ground bolt below the light inside the hood. ?There is a braded metal ground strap connected to it. ?Be careful not to over torque this bolt, it will snap off. ?

52) ? ? ?Run the new black wire to where the relay will be located.

53) ? ? ?Reinstall the metal fender to cowl bracket

54) ? ? ?Solder the spade connectors to each end of the new wires.

55) ? ? ?Connect the wires to the relay. ?The white wire goes to one side of the relay coil and the purple goes to the other side of the relay coil. ?The green goes to one side of the relay contacts and the black goes to the other.

56) ? ? ?Mount the relay so no connectors touch. ?Under the curved fender to cowl bracket works great.

57) ? ? ?Reconnect the battery.

5:cool: ? ? ?Done, Enjoy.

To undo this mod simply disconnect the white wire from the relay and cover the wire up so it does not short out on anything. ?The rest of the components you can leave in place. ?They will not have any effect on normal operation


 
? ?Wow! ?This reminds me of those movies where a guy is disarming a bomb and says "It's either the green wire or the white wire", ?"What happens if you cut the wrong one", "BOOM!"

? Seriously, I'm going to tackle this one after I do a little shopping for parts. ?

? Thanks for all your work, Autoworker!

BTW, do you forsee any problems with the alternator, wiring, fuses, etc. handling the increased load?
 
No problems. That?s what's nice with this mod. It controls the low current control signal to the DRL and Fog relays. No extra load on the wires, fuses etc. Just keep in mind with all the lights on you are drawing between 35 to 45 amps. Depends if you swapped the fogs and DRL for brighter lights

Only extra load is on the battery and alternator. But if you add after market lights it would be the same.

Did find one small item of concern. Had to go to work very early Monday. Since there was no traffic on the twisty two-lane road that up and over a hill I used the all lights on while driving. When I finally turned them off and used just the lows it looked very dark out. :cool: Eyes got used to the extra light and seeing a mile down the road. >:D
 
Sounds good! The nice thing about this mod is I will finally have a use for that redundant headlight switch. The only time I've used it is to turn the lights on in the daytime to see if they worked. Thanks again!
 
to auto worker--- I believe in your talents on electrical, so help me out. I like to turn off the drls and turn on the parking lights during the day so my ritual on start up ic to push the dome cutoff 4 times to turn off the drls and twist up one notch to get my yellow parking lamps on I think it looks ---almost just right goin down the road. Heres where you can help. I noticed the turn signal filament is a lot brighter and would complete th look I,m --looking for I pulled the yellow bulb and noticed both contacts are in the same location so 180ing the bulb did not make it be the bright one when parking lamps are on. I tried to put a jumper between the two contacts in the socket but that did not work either I dont want to chop the wires and reverse them at the socket unless its the last hope,and somehow I dont think that will do it I noticed 3 wires in to the socket, but only 2 contacts on the bulb...... can you help me light up? Hey you might go to 4 brights and see where i added lights behind the grill and I mounted a continous duty solenoid right where you did under the fender firewall brace goal bright yellow on park lamp. thenks, got change
 
Do you want both the turn and parks on at the same time and still keep the trun signal function? Or do you want to swap the park and turn singal filmets?

The first one will be a major pain. Not imposibble just a pain and will take some rewiring. I think the second option could be done by swaping some wires in the fuse block. Give me a few days to review the service manual.
 
autoworker, I just like cruisin with the yellow parking lights on and they would look better brighter that bulb gets darn hot all I want to try is to swap turn for park and if the turns are the dim ones thats ok by me. Thanks for trying to figure this out
 
? Well, there is EIGHT lights on at once on the front of the Av! ;D ;D ;D

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? If you can follow instructions very well, (I didn't) are pretty good at soldering, and can get the parts, the Av will turn night into day! ?I had what turned out to be a minor problem with this mod. ?I managed to mix up the two white wires and blow a little 10 amp fuse in the lower right corner (TBC). ?Well this fuse caused almost all my lights to go out, including my headlights!
I still had drl's and marker lights but a little panic was trying to set in. ?I IMed AutoWorker and he got me straightened out.

? BTW, I also noticed when I went from all lights on to just lowbeams that the lows just looked like candles
 

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Wow that's a lot of light ? :cool:

Autoworker, What type of work do you do ? I apologize if you already covered that. Your knowledge is definitely upper echelon (y)

 
Hay Change- another Idea may be add a set of sockets in the turn sig . Add the color of bulb u want.

Feed power up from the fog's You'll still need to play dome light pushing games-

on another thread they had a way of puting a switch in the auto control circit, disableing it

ad another switch so when u start truck, it powers fogs and new bright turns, auto on.
Turn off 2 switches and all works nomal. AUGH...head......going....too....X-plode..... >:D
 
Hope this schematic helps. It is simplified to only show what is being modified. It is an animated GIF so be sure to use a file viewer that can show the before and after. (y)
 

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What is the single wire headlamp mod that is the prerequisite for all lights on. ???
 
Hey Autoworker, someone on another post said that they put a controller in their car that took them 20 minutes and only cost $15.

This was a headlight & Foglight controller that would make them all come on and run at the same time. They got the controler from:

www.truckautoaccessories.com

If you or anyone knows anything about this company and the products they sell, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks!
 
Just checked out their wed site. At full retail prices you could make a controller for around $10.00. I?m sure there part cost is less. But were is the sport in having a pre-made kit? :rolleyes:

There are two ways to control the Fog lights (same for DRL). 1st it to apply power to the actual light. 2nd apply power to the control relay.

The 1st is usually cheaper to do as a mod. But the usual problem is the power is often tapped off of another high-current circuit. Example would be to use the same circuit that supplies power the headlights also being used to supply power to the fog lamps. Problem is you may see your headlights actually dim when the fogs come on because the circuit (wire size, fuses, length of wire run, etc.) can not handle the additional current pull.

The 2nd method (which I prefer) is to provide another way to turn the control circuit (relay) on or off. A bit more complex to implement but the circuit used to supply the actual power to the light (or whatever) is not overloaded. You could still see a dimming of the lights but now the problem would only be from a weak battery or alternator.

You can do the fog lights with the headlamps very easily. Use the same circuit in the above post, eliminate the diodes (don?t do the DRL part of the mod. The Diodes keep the DRL and the fogs from overriding each other and other little undesirable things from happening). Eliminate the wire tapped into the DRL. Change were the two wires that power the relay tap into. Do you want the fog on at all times when the headlights are on? (I wanted some control over when they came on and I did not want to add, modify, the interior of my truck with more switches. That?s why the extra work on modifying the white wires). If so then connect one side of the coil to ground and the other side of the relay coil to one of the white wires.

Want different combinations of how the come on? Just change were you tap into to power the relay coil.

You can make this an easy job by using the squeeze on connectors for wires. The kind you slip over an existing wire, add the new wire and crimp down. They are cheap, easy and quick (I don?t care for these, bad experience with failures :8: , especially after they get wet from salt water. Abalone & halibut dive trips :cool:). Should not cost more than $10.00 and about 20 minutes.

 
So auto worker did you invent electricity or something.....

Man you know your stuff....good job....Thanks for joining the club :love: :B:
 
autoworker I stumbled across an instant no money 2 minute parking lamr turn signal filament swap,,,,, damn it man I got tolooking at the bulb and theon the two pairs of wires, use a pocketnife to pry the wire away from the base, reverse wires and the parks are killer bright. leave the other pair alone... the bulb is now polarity sensitive.........parks almost too bright keep moddin
 
AutoWorker,

I just performed your all lights Mod and I have to say that I love it. ;D

All went exactly as you described. One small moment of panic when my DRL wouldn't turn on until I remembered the parking brake had to be off.

I mounted everything inside the fuse box so nothing is visible.

On a whim I checked my local legality of having all the lights on.

For those member that live in California don't get caught flashing a cop with your new high beams as it is technically illegal. The DMV code say that you can not have more then four forward facing lamps on at one time. With all of the lights on we have six lamp on (they count each of the headlight assemblies (high/lows) as one).

For those that want to wade through the vehicale code here is a link to the sub section

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24405.htm

or here is the full section as an acrobat file

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vcpdf/div12.pdf

Hope this help those members in California.

This is still a GREAT and easy Mod and if everything is concealed as I did mine you can clam that you didn't know it wasn't supposed to work this way and might get out of a ticket.

That is unless the cop has an Avalanche and visits this forum but if s/he did then they probably performed this Mod themselves. ;)

Thanks again for this Mod AutoWorker

 
I'm not embarrassed to admit that I'm intimidated by the many steps involved in some of the instructions to get fog lights to stay on with high-beams. No offense intended to any of you who have posted them - they are wonderfully detailed, but just over my head. But heck, I get nauseous just sliding under my AV and looking up... must be an age thing, I guess.

I've done the 1-wire mod (yellow to ground) to get both headlights to stay on when I energize my high-beams (and I was able to do it standing up!). ;)

Now I'd just like to run a separate circuit from the fog lights to the fog light switch so I can have full control to turn them on/off at will. Haven't seen any threads about anyone asking about this. Can anyone tell me what color wires are used for the fog lights to the fog light switch so I can confidently cut the right ones to by-pass and not get in over my head?

Thanks!
 
Not that simple for G.M. trucks. The switch does not latch it is a momentary type switch (means when you press it, it makes contact as long it is pushed). The switch goes to the BCM (body control module). The BCM controls the logic of when the fog lights are allowed to be on. i.e. the fogs go off with the highs and on with the lows, but only if the lights have been activated. The BCM then controls the relay for the fog lamps.

Now if you want to change out the switch to one that latches, or add another switch (its ok to have two switches) and bypass the BCM then you can do as you want.

The wire you want to mess with is the dark green and white wire in the under hood fuse box on connector C1 at location B3. All you need to do is short this wire to ground to turn the fog lights on.

I have heard that someone reversed engineered the BCM. The BCM is programmable but requires a G.M. issued scan tool and some additional software. If someone has some info on this let me know. I could really have some fun.
 
Autoworker

Hey there.. I was looking at both your single wire 2 headlight mod and All lights on w/ switch mod

I was thinking... ?Wouldn't it be cool to set the Lows to come on with highs (as your mod directed) but have this only in effect when the manual head light switch is on.. ?This way we can have TOTAL factory operation with automatic lights, and total MODDED operation with the manual switch on .....

Here is an ammended schematic (green plus 1 more diode in line with green) for you to look at...

NOTE to anyone who wants to try this: This schematic is THEORY ONLY, I think it will work, but I have not tested it yet... ? It makes sense in my head!! ?

I think that this will work... Thoughts on this??? ?Suggestions?? ?I am open to all ideas on this!!
 
Could not get the whole schematic to view, browser problem ??? What I could see looks like it would work, but you would get a foward voltage drop. Meaning your lights would not be a bright as they could be. I like lots of light. Especially if the mod (single wire) may be legal. Somebody posted a link about California law and headlamps. High and low beams are considered a single lamp. I don't know if it's still true but since I only use it when I should there is no concern.
 
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