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The Pond Adventure

A.J.

SM 2003
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Sep 1, 2002
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Location
Central New Jersey
I bought an Avalanche in November - with the Z71 package, and leather seats. ?Even though it's brand new, $37K, I really wanted to take it off road. ?Some of my fraternity brothers go off roading occasionally, and I've gone with them several times - always as a passenger. ?This time, I was ready to be one of the drivers! ?At that time, I had 7,300 miles on the 'Lanche. ?Normally when they go, there are at least 5 trucks - most of them 10-20 years old, used for nothing but off roading. ?This trip, however, there were only two trucks - Rob's Chevy S-10 with the big a** tires, and mine.

We took a camping weekend in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. ?[Do a search on the CAFCNA Avalanche Adventure Finder for Wharton State Forrest].

We were cruisin through the forrest, doing fine. ?We did about 40 miles of off roading, and the 'Lanche had no problems crossing several streams and rivers. ?We found this nice looking pond that we decided to cross. ?At first Rob radioed to me to wait for him to check out what was on the other side of the pond. ?I waited several seconds and decided I could make it across as well - I couldn't wait anymore. ?I made it halfway across and got bogged in, but switched to 4-Lo, and the 'Lanche gripped on, and rumbled across with no problem. ?The trail on the other side of the lake eventually narrowed down to a quad trail, so we had to turn around and go back across the river. ?Rob's truck made it across fine. ?He radios to me to take it slow on the approach (this is audible in the video clip) - but I reply "Too late," I was already burrowing across it. ?I made it 3/4 of the way across, and hit something under water which caused the truck to fall off into a rut, which Rob tells me 3/4 of the wheels were under sand (which had the consistency of quicksand). ?The frame rails were all resting on sand, and as he dug sand out, more sand immediately replaced what he dug out. ?The truck was at an angle, about waist deep in water on the right side. ?I attempted to 'rock' it by going from Drive to Reverse, but you couldn't even feel it move a fraction of an inch. ? Rob was surveying the situation, fearlessly digging under the tires, trying to dig them out. ?There was a stream that was running directly at my front tire, dumping more sand and water. ?Needless to say, soon water began to fill the inside of the truck - I'm not sure if it came in through the midgate or the doors. ?One of my passengers and I fruitlessly bailed water for a couple of hours. ?We weren't really making progress, but at least we felt productive. ?Anyway, after 15-20 minutes of digging, Rob began to tow me out with a towstrap. ?Several manuevers were attempted, but the 'Lanche only moved about 1.2 inch. ?One of the maneuvers involved two tow straps, held together by a heavy duty "D" shackle, which slipped part way off the loop, gave way and came flying at my truck, probably about 200 or 300 miles an hour. ?Joe, who was in the passenger seat bailing water had a glass snack. ?He only sustained a minor cut on his nose, and was fine. ?The 'crater' in the windshield looked as if someone was thrown ass first into my windshield. ?

We had another guy who was building a dam to try to stop the flow of water and sand. ?At this point, I start to worry. ?A couple minutes later, a brand new Ford F-150 happened by, which Rob flagged down. ?He was more than happy to try and help - he does it all the time. ?I didn't pay attention to what they were doing, but he had the idea to hook two tow straps up to the same hook on the front of my truck, and try to pull me with both of their trucks in reverse. ?The progress was less than an inch, so they tried and tried until the tow hook (which is probably rated for about 10,000 lbs of force) snapped off and went flying into Rob's truck - through his grill, through the air conditioner condensor, through his radiator (which amazingly caused no working damage to the radiator), and shattered his alternator, which is probably about 18" into the engine. ?The AC fluid was flying and hissing all over the place. ?It took him about five minutes just to figure out what happened, because he couldn't find the ammo (ie tow hook). ?

At this point, I decided we were really in trouble. ?As Rob got to work on fixing the alternator, I decided it was time to use ON-STAR and call for help:

O: Yes Mr. Griglak, how can we help you?

A: I need a tow.

O: What is the nature of your problem?

A: I'm stuck and need a tow truck with a winch.

O: I hear running water. ?Are you in a river? ?Is the water coming into the truck?

A: It's more like a pond, yes we are taking on water.

O: It seems like you would need a recovery truck.

A: No, I think a four wheel drive truck with a winch would work.

O: I see that you are in a forrest? ?(they have GPS)

A: Yes, about two miles into the woods. ?

O: Please hold, let me see what we can do...

Anyway, that was the gist of the conversation - they couldn't get a grasp of the situation.

When we finally got in touch with the dispatch for the tow company (about 90 minutes later), I had to retell the entire situation to him. ?By the time the tow truck came (another 90 minutes or so), I had been in the water for 5 hours - the engine idling the whole time, so that the water wouldn't get into the exaust, and potentially the engine. ?We were pooped from bailing, and eventually gave up. ?The water covered the entire front passenger floor, and the right side of the rear seat also - covering the electric seat components. ?

After 90 minutes of straight work, Rob finally fixes his alternator enough to get his truck running. ?Just in time, because someone needed to meet the tow truck on the main road - there's no way they were gonna find us in the middle of the dark forrest.

The tow guy waits until he finally gets to us to inform us that it was a cash only call. ?I had about 30 bucks on me, and a collection from the other people scrounged up 70 bucks - "It supposed to be 75, but I guess 70 will be OK" ?We thought he had some kind of scam going, probably already getting paid from OnStar, and then charging us cash. ?It didn't matter to us, as long as we got out. ?He hooks his cable up to my remaining tow hook (actually Rob hooked it up, the tow guy wouldn't go into the water). ?Believe it or not, the tow truck was creeping towards the water, instead of pulling the 'Lanche out. ?He needed to move back to more solid ground, and finally was able to pull me out. ?"This is the newest truck I've ever pulled out of here."

Driving back to the main road, I was really worried that my truck would never feel the same again. ?After getting onto pavement again and getting all the sand off the tires, it honestly felt the same as it did pulling off the dealer's lot. ?After packing up the next day, I drove home about 80 miles, only about a dozen pieces of glass fell out, so it was OK. ?;-) ?I passed four cops, but crossing my fingers seemed to ward them off.

The windshield was replaced on Monday - to the tune of $320. ?I was worried that they would tell me that because it was such a new truck, it was a special order and needed a week to come in. ?But, they didn't even flinch when I mentioned what kind of truck it was.

Four days later, there was still water leaking out underneath the passenger side, and the carpets were still squishy. ?Luckily, we had a 90 degree day, and left all four doors open for about 6 hours. ?It's been dry ever since. ?About a week later, I had the oil changed at my buddy's tune up shop and I cleared out a couple pounds worth of sand from the frame rail. ?It's been about six weeks now, and it still smells like leather inside. ?There are some muddy marks on the carpeting, and a couple of the bolts that hold the seats to the floor are rusty. ?One of these days when I get enough time, I will have the interior detailed. ?Oh yea, and I scratched the crap out of the front right wheel.

So, that' s my story. ?You might think I'm crazy to bring a truck like this off roading, but I've been waiting many years to have a truck worthy of off roading. ?I plan on driving this thing until it absolutely dies - hopefully it will be 10 years or so ?;-) ?I want to keep it nice, but I'm not going to 'baby' it. ?I will definitely make the next off road trip! ?I honestly think any truck would've gotten stuck where I did, and was very happy with the way the 'Lanche handled the 4x4 stuff.

For pictures, go to Shutterfly.

For videos, you might need to download Apple Quicktime.

You also might need to download them to your hard drive, as opposed to trying to stream it.

If you are bandwidth challenged, go right to the last video - that's the clincher.

Video 1 - Crossing the stream - exterior [3.31 MB]

Video 2 - Cruising through the sand ?[2.99 MB]

Video 3 - Catchin Rob ?[4.87 MB]

Video 4 - Flying! ?(about 30MPH) ?[6.36 MB]

Video 5 - Crossing the stream - inside [3.44 MB]

Video 6 - Crossing another stream - inside ?[2.98 MB]

Video 7 - Gettin stuck! ?[6.86 MB]

Listen carefully on #7 - "You might wanna take it slow on the approach" ?"Too late"

Many thanks to Goo929 for loaning me some webspace!

Enjoy!
 
Hehe ...I was waiting for that story again ;D
BTW I couldnt get video 4 to link up, I will try later but it may be on ur end :cautious:
I also hear a little AC/DC :love: playing in the background in some of the video's ROCK-ON!!!!!
 
Great vids! :eek: Do you have any of all the carnage during your buddies rescue attempt?
 
Whew! Beats the Blair Witch Project all to heck. Scarier even!
I've got some fine scratches on my car from some pine trees but no water on the floor. I am going on an adventure this Sunday and I think I'll view the stream crossings very carefu
lly.


Thanks for sharing this story; the pics and vids are cool.

 
Steelheadchaser said:
Great vids! :eek: Do you have any of all the carnage during your buddies rescue attempt?

Unfortunately, I was out of room on my Compact Flash card, and didn't want to delete any other pictures... Plus, I was getting more worried as time went on.

In hindsight, I wish I had deleted some of the old pictures and taken some more photos!
 
Great story, great pics and video as well. Thanks for the story. I look forward to getting mine dirty this summer up in the woods near our cabin.

Jamie
 
What a story - thanks for sharing your adventure. Now, I do have off-roading this summer in the Av in mind, but I'll admit that I probably won't be quite as adventurous as you were.
 
Tow Truck - $70
New Windshield - $320
Pics of your $37,000 truck half submerged - priceless!

Thanks for re-posting the story AJ :)
 
I re-read your story this morning. I think $75 is a good deal to get your truck out, considering where you were. I would have paid anything just to get out of there.
 
I assume GM replaced the tow hook under warrenty?

Half-breed
 
Considering the buried F-250 we saw up by Blewitt on Saturday was a $500 pull I would have to say that $70 was a screaming screaming screaming bargain to get yanked out!
 
Oh man! :cautious:

This is my first post here... I'm just a guy looking to buy an Avalanche. I just have some feedback here that has not been mentioned, and I'd hate to see someone hurt...

The Avalanche is NOT a good off road vehicle! Way too long, heavy, tires are too small, no articulation, poor break over, aproach, and departure angles... I'd keep it far away from mud and more to the 1-2 rated trails...

Never ever ever ever use a D-ring to attach two straps!! You found out what can happen. A lot of people have been killed when these things let go. Interlock the straps, and use a stick in the middle of the knot so that they are not permantly locked together when you're done tugging...

If the tow hooks are the same ones on my ZR2 S10, then they're really weak - rated at like 6-8K lbs or something. Use a shorter 8-15' tree saver between both of the hooks to spread the load, and thead the main two strap through it to the other vehicle...

This here is almost a "MUST READ" for going offroading.

http://www.bb4wa.com/articles/articles.htm

By the way, is that WeezerRockin's white shortbed Z in the pics?? :)
 
well now marky -

open and free society here, and we are quick to post about problems some of us have experienced with our Avs, but your views on the Av and 4-wheelin' (ahh, believe it or not many of us had other, more extreme off-road rides and we do know a thing or two about it) while certainly welcome, are a minority view to say the least. In fresh out of the box form, the Z71 Av ain't too shabby off road, and it does stack up nicely with other rigs of its size vis-a-vis departure angles, stock ground clearence, etc.

and should you acually find a factory vehicle being sold in the US with something bigger than 17" rubber, do share the info 'cause I must confess I am not aware of any . . . .

My point is not to win an argument with you, but to convince you that you will not be let down by the Av's capabilities.
 
Sigh - I'm with jackalanche - I'm not going to try and win the arguement but as far as off-road performance - well the story posted here about the Avalanche at the military proving grounds in Michigan put it best. All the jeepers speculating that big awful Avalanche would have nothing but trouble - and it was only one of three vehicles to complete the course.

Will an Av go over the Rubicon? Well because the boulders are too close together in places probably not - but same goes for a Hummer which is built to go off-road.

I've taken my Av in sand, water, mud, snow, up and down and all around - this truck is awesome and I'm sure it would run circles around other trucks and SUV's in an off-road environment stock out of the box.

Is it the best? Nah? Is it "bad" for off-road use - you've got to be kidding me!
 
All of the above are very valid points. I too have owned more capable (read: highly modified) vehicles in the past. I still know people with older Jeeps who take them places I would have a hard time walking through... That being said, if you put the Av on even footing against other full size rigs it will get you where you want to go as good or better than most.

Will it ever be a dedicated 4-wheeler tackling the Rubicon? Nope.

Will it squeeze up narrow quad trails to get you that choice camping spot on top of the mountain? Nope.

Will it perform well enough to have some fun on 2 (dare I say even 3??) rated trails with careful driving and minimal modification, while carrying enough gear for 4 adults to spend a week in the woods? Yep :)
 
Thanks for your time AJ, one hell of an excursion( ha ha). As far as the non owner, every one is entitled to their opinion. No matter how wrong I feel he is. When I was in High school, driving in the mud, I dreamed of big a%$ rubber of the like under my Z-71. Not to mention the power,...,...,...,./,f438-97w45olufd.

Whooowww.....

My high high school dream truck was a lifted 86 chev pu with 33's .... It sits next to my AV! When i look at both ....the AV wins. higher, better track, larger rubber, higher clearance and the list mounts-

?This is AJ'S post so I'll back off. Every one learns from experience, Wonder how the guest got his. From the drivers seat ?of the most adapt stock truck available or brochure? >:D ;)

Sorry, I Just Love the AV. I usualy work off road, with quite a varity of different rigs. The AV is usualy quite the jaw dropper. But you do need to be sensible. It is not a rock craller, sandune jumper, Vert hill climber, worlds lightest, or fastest.

Just don't blow it off till you've had one over night. Thanks for your dime.

OK I'll realy back off..................................
 
Guest said:
I assume GM replaced the tow hook under warrenty?

Half-breed


Good point - I never thought of that... Although, I'd rather the dealer not know about WHY the tow hook needs to be replaced! :eek:
 
I think we all deserve kudos for not even going the easy route with Marc, which would have been to side by side the capabilities of the little ZR2 S-10 with the Z71 Av - kinda like killing squirrels with my 30.06 rifle I guess, no sport in it. He is running a Chevy though, points for that :B:
 
Sorry guys - I didn't mean to come across as totally dissing the Av off road - I just meant to say that it's not a good off road vehicle, if you're looking to so some serious wheeling... Serious wheeling to me would be going somewhere where if you get stuck water is coming on in!

I can't picture an Av going anywhere serious. Won't it be hanging up all over the place? When it hangs up, you have a LARGE AMOUNT of HEFT to tug out.

Comparing the Av to other full sized rigs, out of the box, I'm SURE it's MUCH better than them. :) I see no problem with taking one down some mild trails to do some hunting and what not. I'd be afraid of trying to find a place to turn around if I got too far into the woods though.

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Hey now! Regarding my little Z-S10.. that thing is pretty capable! ;D http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid19/p7bb4c4a9846925324f8195e32c224ab2/fdc4c1dc.jpg.orig.jpg It's got WAY better A/B/D angles and decent articulation out back. The front is another story. :rolleyes:

Personally, if I get an Av, I'll never put it in any of the places my Z has been. It just wouldn't make it, and I couldn't see myself damaging one of these beauties.
 
jackalanche said:
and should you acually find a factory vehicle being sold in the US with something bigger than 17" rubber, do share the info 'cause I must confess I am not aware of any . . . .

I'm not sure what you mean by 17" rubber, Jackalanche... ? ???

Aren't most off road vehicles running 16" rims at the max? ?It's hard to find a good selection of tires in the 17" range... ? :-[
 
Crexis said:
All of the above are very valid points. ?I too have owned more capable (read: highly modified) vehicles in the past. ?I still know people with older Jeeps who take them places I would have a hard time walking through... ?That being said, if you put the Av on even footing against other full size rigs it will get you where you want to go as good or better than most.

Will it ever be a dedicated 4-wheeler tackling the Rubicon? ?Nope. ?

Will it squeeze up narrow quad trails to get you that choice camping spot on top of the mountain? ?Nope. ?

Will it perform well enough to have some fun on 2 (dare I say even 3??) rated trails with careful driving and minimal modification, while carrying enough gear for 4 adults to spend a week in the woods? ?Yep :)

I also completely agree with these points - I didn't mean to come across otherwise.

With mild mods, I'm sure the truck would be AWESOME on more serious trails. Especially a 2500 w/ big lift and tires vs a mud hole. >:D
 
The important dimension is (of course) outside diameter. There is a reasonable (and growning) selection of 17 inch off road rubber, but in truth, 16's or even 15's are probably better for off road use. Less wheel and more tire (in the overall diameter) means less scraped up wheels. The big advantage to the Z71 is that because they put 17's on it as an option, the outside diameter of the tires is correspondingly larger, even with a "stock" size tire. The ground clearance on these things is pretty good, and the approach angle isn't even THAT bad. The long wheel base and deaparture angle (scraping the hitch and bending the plug) are what will kill you with this truck.
 
marc, my reference to the fact that the Z71 Av comes with some of the biggest stock wheels out there (beginning witht he fact that it has 17" rims, and yes, then we really do traffic in OD and section width #s) was in response to your "tires are too small" rant (among others) about the Av - see your above post. The facts seemed to refute your point, so I pointed them out. As for real deal off-road tires, you are dead right, not nearly enough selection in the 17" range, but it is being expanded and you can get your KMs and your MT/Rs in a few sizes @ 17", and some of the other off-road favs too. I really hope you have an Av-owning pal that might let you take muddin' (a dealer sure won't) so you'll see that it is able to hang.

Hey I never said it was a CJ, but you ain't bringing home lumber in a CJ either.
 
Okay, I gotcha Jackalanche...

I didn't mean for my first post to sound like a rant, more like a "I can't believe you guys are out there doing this stuff to such nice trucks!" post. ;)

What I mean to say was that the diameter of the stock sized wheels are too small to help much with clearance and the angles.

Back to that post:
I was more set on not seeing someone get hurt from improper truck extraction... seriously, I've heard of people being decapitated from tow straps, shackles, and tow hooks that let go. The passenger in that Av was VERY lucky that shackle didn't go through the windshield - Look at what the hook did to the S10! :eek:
 
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