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Whipped And Torqued

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sparky

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Well, I've been whipped and de-torqued ? :eek:

Didn't hurt a bit.
Have only been able to run around for a few hours. The impact on torque management is real. Shifts happen with much less loss of power as well. Zip, you are gone. (y)
The check coolant level came on once, but level is good and light never came on again.
Don't like the feel or sound of the gas pedal at this point. Creaks and feels like it is rubbing on something. Will have it looked at monday if I can??
 
I'm a newbie; what do you guys mean by "de-torqued"?
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The Avalanche has a computer program called Torque Management and Abuse Prevention. It cuts back on engine output when sensors tell it that excessive power is being requested such as spinning the tires or drive/reverse rocking. It drops out about 10MPH but can be annoying when you are trying for max power.

kw
 
Redshift,
Are you using a programmer to take out the torque management? I just got the diablo and it doesn't specifically mention the torque management or removal of it. It gives some nice custom options as far as shifting goes. I did a lot of research before getting this programmer and everyone said that "it does a pretty good job with torque management" so I assumed that it does. Any input? Thanks!
 
Sparky, One question--is it worth the $$$$$$????? I have been on the fence since I got the avy about dropping the mulah for the blower and I just can't decide. What made you go with the Whipple over the Magnacharger? Just curious as they both boast the same specs give or take.
 
Redshift said:
The Avalanche has a computer program called Torque Management and Abuse Prevention. It cuts back on engine output when sensors tell it that excessive power is being requested such as spinning the tires or drive/reverse rocking. It drops out about 10MPH but can be annoying when you are trying for max power.

kw
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OH! Dude!! Sweet!!! I was really hoping the Whipple Tuner would take care of that. Redshift, I notice you have the Kenne Bell S/C, so I guess that means it should work fine together with the Whipple Tuner, unless you're getting "de-torqued" by some other means?

Now FWIW, I started thinking perhaps it would be nice to leave just a little Torque Management in there, since if it keeps you from spinning your tires, then it seems as if the idea might even be to improve performance (i.e. 0-60 time). What do you think of that, guys, besides leaving a little to protect the drivetrain, per its intended purpose? Does the Whipple Tuner leave just a little bit of T.M.??

kodiakz, from what I've read, my understanding has been that the diablo does shift points, but has no affect at all on T.M. :cautious: I remember reading in another thread on T.M. about Whipple's claims that their Tuner will remove it, but until now, have never seen that claim substantiated. So, I'm just assuming that's what Sparky used, since his list of mods includes the Whipple Tuner.


P.S. You got a very nice Avalanche, Sparky, I love it!!
 
unless you're getting "de-torqued" by some other means?
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I am investigating other means! I should have it installed on Monday. If it does work I'll post all the details. (y)

Are you using a programmer to take out the torque management?
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I'm getting a re-programmed PCM. It will be a custom program that takes into account all my modifications. Everything should work as a unit.

I just got the diablo and it doesn't specifically mention the torque management or removal of it.
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Sorry Kodiakz, I don't know that it does remove TM. You may be able to get them to do a custom program if it isn't already happening.

Just curious as they both boast the same specs give or take.
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The engine doesn't care how the boost is generated. A pound of boost from any source produces the same results. The important differences are effeciency of boost production and at what point in the rpm band the boost is produced. http://www.kennebell.net has a lot of info on the various types whether you like theirs or not.

seems as if the idea might even be to improve performance (i.e. 0-60 time). What do you think of that, guys, besides leaving a little to protect the drivetrain, per its intended purpose?
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It does accomplish a little of both. I think it is just a little too conservative on the protection side of things.

kw
 
kodiakz said:
Sparky, ?One question--is it worth the $$$$$$????? ?I have been on the fence since I got the avy about dropping the mulah for the blower and I just can't decide. ?What made you go with the Whipple over the Magnacharger? ?Just curious as they both boast the same specs give or take.
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It is a little early to answer question 1. I know it sure do go though. I think a couple of adjustments are required. Should know more by weds.
On question 2, the guy that does my work is a big fan of Whipple. It is a name I've known for a while, for me at least it was cheaper and seemed to have more power across the range. But when it all boils down it is often a roll of the dice. Did a lot of reading first.
 
Great to hear sparky.., if what your feeling in the gas pedal seems to feel like a vibration. its normal with the whipple.., it gets transmitted through the throttle cable.., there was a new cable with your supercharger kit..., ask the guy who did the install if he used it.., it looks the same as the stock cable.., but it has a different inner cable to remove some of the vibration.., but some vibration through the cable is mormal.., it will only be felt when you first step on it, then goes away... Enjoy your new found Power ;) Im heading back to the Dyno next week for some final tuning with the Cryo system and upping the Nitrous to a two step 75 shot...., then off to the track to try for that High 12 sec pass ;)

Butch.
 
Butch said:
Great to hear sparky.., if what your feeling in the gas pedal seems to feel like a vibration. its normal with the whipple.., it gets transmitted through the throttle cable.., there was a new cable with your supercharger kit..., ask the guy who did the install if he used it.., it looks the same as the stock cable.., but it has a different inner cable to remove some of the vibration.., but some vibration through the cable is mormal.., it will only be felt when you first step on it, then goes away... Enjoy your new found Power ?;) ? Im heading back to the Dyno next week for some final tuning with the Cryo system and upping the Nitrous to a two step 75 shot...., then off to the track to try for that High 12 sec pass ?;)

Butch.
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Thanks, I learned about this when i took the thing back. There was an issue before the install, and the install took it to a new level :6: So they had a peek. In my case whenever you had your foot on the pedal there was an annoying groaning sound and vibration feedback. Like a bad tooth, just never went away. If you were sitting on a small hill and holding the truck with the gas pedal you really got it. So they are contacting Whipple to confirm that the 'new' cable was sent. Second the top pully does not appear to be running 'plum'. This is where I believe the problem started. They are also asking Whipple about this as they believe there may be a replacement that whipple has, if not I will replace with a new stock unit.
Thanks.
 
Have been corresponding w/ Johan @ Diablosport and he assures me that Torque Management is taken care of with their performance tuning and that no custom program is required. He did say that they have a custom program for applications with superchargers.
 
I also have been discussing this issue with Johan, and again he did assure me of the same thing. Their unit completely gets rid of the T.M., but I still have my ?'s on that.


G.
 
kodiakz said:
Have been corresponding w/ Johan @ Diablosport and he assures me that Torque Management is taken care of with their performance tuning and that no custom program is required. ?He did say that they have a custom program for applications with superchargers.
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kodiakz and gene,
I'm not questioning if the Diablosport removes the TM or not. My 'take' on the situation was that Whipple said they would not endorse ANY of the units out there as they were not designed to work with the Whipple.
Now, is that a bunch of BS to provide them another revenue stream? Maybe. But:
1) in my reading it made sense
2) with the kind of money a Whipple install involves, I don't want them to have a reason for it not working well.

So, please, I am not recc. any performance tuner over the other. I am wholly unqualified to do that, my reasons are above.
 
No prob, Sparky!! I was just hoping to find the best solution(s) for removing the torque management--even if that means sending back the Predator and getting the Whipple. I also just wanted to let everyone know that Diablosport claims to be able to remove the TM, a point that I believe there was some confusion about. :)
 
Sparky, I was just confirming what kodiakz was saying... and was not implying that you were recc. any product.
I too have been talking to Whipple and got the same typr of responce (they want their programmer in place)...

I have also been talking to a few other installers that deal with Whipple and Keeny Bell, although they do work with both S.C. they all said that the K.B. Programmer is a much better unit. But I don't like K.B approach to CUSTOMER SERVISE (OR LACK OF!!!!) so there's NO WAY I will buy there product. I'm going with Whipple when the time comes and some jiuce.


G.
 
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